Building and Scaling RevOps in the Enterprise A conversation with Shantanu Mishra, SVP, Revenue Strategy & Operations at Pluralsight. As organizations scale and mature, the complexity of managing revenue processes across the customer lifecycle intensifies. Revenue Operations (RevOps) is emerging as the linchpin function to harmonize go-to-market strategy, unify cross-functional teams, and enable sustainable growth.  In a recent episode of The Revenue Lounge podcast, Shantanu Mishra, Senior Vice President of Revenue Strategy and Operations at Pluralsight, shared a deeply insightful and structured approach to building a high-performing RevOps organization at the enterprise level. With more than two decades of experience in leading sales operations, customer success, and strategic transformation, Shantanu provides a masterclass in RevOps design, execution, and evolution. Facebook Twitter Youtube Rethinking RevOps: The Bow-Tie Framework Traditional funnels end at the point of sale. But in SaaS businesses, revenue generation doesn’t stop once a customer signs the contract. Shantanu introduces the “bow-tie” framework—a more comprehensive visualization of the revenue journey. On the left side of the bow tie is the traditional funnel: lead generation, qualification, and closing. On the right is where the real value emerges: customer onboarding, product adoption, value realization, renewal, and expansion. “In a SaaS environment, you don’t stop at win. The second stage of the journey starts with onboarding, time-to-value, and finally renewal and expansion. That entire bow-tie has to be managed. That is what revenue operations is.” The bow-tie model reflects a strategic shift from one-time sales enablement to lifecycle value management. It forces RevOps leaders to look beyond pipeline metrics and build systems that sustain long-term customer value. Laying the Foundation: Designing for Scale Early Shantanu emphasizes that regardless of where your company is in its revenue maturity journey—whether you’re at $10M or $100M ARR—you must design for scale. Building RevOps without a long-term vision is like constructing a house without a blueprint. You need to plan for the 20-story skyscraper, even if you’re currently just laying the first floor. “Like building a house—you need the blueprint upfront. You have to know how big the foundation has to be, whether you’re building one story or twenty.” This means implementing systems for forecasting, compensation, territory design, and pipeline management that can evolve with the business. As the organization matures, RevOps must move from tactical firefighting to building scalable, repeatable systems with proactive strategy baked in.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzeZnRWTD8c&t=10s Defining the Metrics That Matter Effective RevOps is data-driven. But metrics can become noise if not structured properly. Shantanu outlines a comprehensive metric framework spanning the entire bow-tie lifecycle: Forecasting Accuracy: Strive for a forecast that is within +/- 2% accuracy by week 4 of the quarter. Pipeline Health: Track coverage ratios, opportunity hygiene, commit vs. forecast percentages. Velocity & Conversion: Measure deal velocity, stage-by-stage conversion rates, AOV, and win rates. Unit Economics: Key indicators like CAC:LTV, quota-to-OTE ratios, and bookings per rep. Customer Success Metrics: Monthly active users, license utilization, early renewal engagement. “If pipeline is clean, forecast is clean. But to scale, you need to ask—are we investing $1 and getting much more than $1 back?” This systematic approach ensures GTM teams are aligned on how success is measured across the lifecycle, and avoids the trap of siloed performance indicators. The Org Design Playbook: Horizontal vs Vertical Thinking RevOps leaders often struggle with structuring their teams. Shantanu proposes an elegant framework: differentiate between horizontal functions that span all GTM units and vertical functions tailored to specific departments. Horizontal Functions: Strategy and investment planning Data and analytics Enablement Compensation and deal desk Metrics and reporting Vertical Functions: Sales and success territory design Forecasting cadence Department-specific plays (e.g., sales sprints, CS engagements) “You don’t want sales to have one funnel and marketing to have another. You need a comprehensive view of the bow-tie.” This design allows centralized control over strategy and insights, while empowering functional leaders to adapt operations to their specific needs.   Finding the Right Talent: Beyond Ops Experts The complexity of RevOps demands a multidisciplinary team. Shantanu identifies three archetypes every RevOps team needs: Athletes: Generalists who can adapt and execute across roles. Builders: Detail-oriented executors who create infrastructure and processes. Strategists: Big-picture thinkers who drive alignment and long-term planning. He emphasizes EQ (emotional intelligence), adaptability, and complementary skill sets over pure technical expertise. “EQ is non-negotiable. The corporate world is faster now—you need stability, not just intelligence.” RevOps teams also benefit from hires with backgrounds in finance, consulting, IT/business analysis, and enablement. Data Infrastructure: From Chaos to Clarity Data can either be an asset or a liability. According to Shantanu, RevOps leaders must partner with data engineering teams early to establish clean, centralized, and accessible datasets. “Invest in data engineering early. Don’t let RevOps carry the burden of cleaning, merging, and reporting on messy datasets alone.” He suggests: Centralizing all GTM data sources (billing, product, usage, marketing automation, CRM, HR, enrichment) Building a cloud-based warehouse with proper schema design Defining KPIs before implementing tools or dashboards This strategy ensures that as tools evolve, the data structure remains robust and analytics-ready. Operating Rhythms That Drive Accountability An effective operating model is more than who reports to whom—it’s about cadence, communication, and culture. Shantanu recommends: Weekly: Forecasts, pipeline updates, hygiene checks Monthly: Reports (not meetings) summarizing key metrics Quarterly: Deep dives into KPIs, unit economics, and strategic planning He also emphasizes that metrics should be meaningful and contextualized, not just reported. RevOps should take ownership of making reporting useful for decision-making. Win-Loss Analysis: Real-Time Insights from the Field Too often, companies wait until end-of-quarter to analyze wins and losses. Shantanu recommends capturing this data continuously and cross-referencing it across sources: deal desk, CRM, sales team debriefs, and direct customer feedback. “Win-loss data should be captured daily. Don’t wait till the quarter ends to learn why you’re losing.” Understanding what’s working (or not) in pricing, positioning, or sales process enables faster course corrections and better enablement. The Future of RevOps: Powered by AI Shantanu sees artificial intelligence as a transformative force across the revenue engine.

Selling to People, Not Personas: Redefining B2B Sales with Buyer-First Intelligence A conversation with Amarpreet Kalkat, Founder & CEO at HumanticAI. In the era of hyper-informed buyers and complex purchasing journeys, traditional sales strategies are crumbling. Outdated, persona-based approaches no longer resonate in a world where buyers are more skeptical, independent, and resistant to generic outreach. In a recent episode of Revenue Lounge, we sat down with Amarpreet Kalkat, Founder and CEO of Humantic AI, to unpack what it truly means to adopt a buyer-first approach. And how personality-driven sales is transforming the way sellers connect, engage, and win. This blog dives deep into Amarpreet’s insights, drawing from his 25+ years of experience in building intelligent products, and explores how his technology is helping sales teams humanize the sales process. Facebook Twitter Youtube The Buyer’s World Has Arrived and Sellers Must Adapt “You don’t sell. You help people buy.”— Amarpreet Kalkat In Amarpreet’s view, sales has always been about the buyer—but never more so than today. With dozens of vendors offering similar solutions, what separates winners from the rest isn’t product features or aggressive pitching. It’s perspective. The problem? Most sales methodologies—whether it’s MEDDIC, Challenger, or SPIN—are seller-centric. They teach sellers to “run their playbook,” not necessarily to understand their buyers as people. But data shows the stark gap: Average seller win rate: 17% Elite seller win rate: 62% That’s not just a small performance delta—it’s a chasm. And Amarpreet believes the secret to closing that gap lies in a true shift to buyer-first thinking. Stop Selling to Personas. Start Selling to People. Sales teams often anchor outreach strategies around personas—job titles, functions, firmographics. But Amarpreet challenges that framework: “A persona doesn’t buy. A person does.” With Humantic AI, sellers can move from broad persona targeting to individual buyer intelligence, understanding not just what a prospect does—but who they are. This includes: Communication preferences Personality traits (based on DISC profiling) Risk appetite Decision-making style Motivators and fears This human layer enables sales reps to craft emails, calls, and presentations tailored to how a specific buyer thinks—not just their role. https://youtu.be/iMDGlZVhaBc How Personality AI Works Behind the Scenes So how does Humantic AI gather this intelligence? It pulls public data from LinkedIn and other online sources It processes that data through proprietary DISC-based AI models It surfaces insights on personality traits, behavior patterns, and communication style These insights are delivered directly into tools sellers already use—Salesforce, LinkedIn, Salesloft, Outlook, and more The goal? Equip sellers with buyer-aware recommendations at every step of the deal. And it’s more than just better email intros. Amarpreet explains how Humantic can even suggest whether to open an email with a friendly “Hope you’re doing well” or skip that for a more concise greeting—based on the buyer’s disposition. The Impact: Real Results from Real Companies Skeptical about the impact of buyer intelligence? The numbers speak for themselves. One client saw win rates jump from 15% to 50% Another reported a 151% increase in pipeline for a test group Public company Domo cited a 15–30% lift in win rates after adopting Humantic AI And it’s not just about closing deals faster. Amarpreet emphasizes how personality data helps navigate complex buying committees. With up to 12–14 stakeholders involved in B2B decisions, understanding the emotional and decision triggers of each person is critical. “Deals are lost in rooms sellers never enter. We help you win in those rooms.” Operationalizing Buyer Intelligence in the Sales Process Humantic AI is designed to work across the entire sales journey—not just top-of-funnel outreach: Stage Tool/Feature Use Case BDR/SDR Chrome Extension / Outreach Integration Personalized email and call scripts AE Meeting Prep Tools Pre-meeting research and message customization Sales Team Buying Committee Map Stakeholder analysis and engagement planning RevOps Platform Integration Insight management within CRM and SEP tools   And unlike many AI tools that overwhelm teams, Humantic focuses on enhancing human touchpoints, not replacing them. AI Isn’t Just a Buzzword. It’s a Strategic Lever In today’s crowded AI market, Amarpreet warns against getting distracted by shiny tools: “AI should be wings for the flyers and crutches for the walkers.” For sales leaders evaluating AI, he recommends starting with problems, not features. What’s the root challenge—low CRM usage? Poor email response rates? Ineffective stakeholder engagement? The right AI tool should solve that problem with minimal friction. A Path to Sales Respect and Buyer Trust Amarpreet closes the conversation on a powerful, personal note. Despite being the lifeblood of the economy, sales still lacks social respect. “Nobody grows up saying, ‘I want to be a salesperson.’ But without sales, nothing moves.” He draws an analogy to doctors—once seen as quacks, now among the most respected professions. Amarpreet believes sales can earn that respect too—but only if sellers embrace empathy and buyer-first engagement at scale. Actionable Takeaways for Sales Teams Here’s how to start implementing a buyer-first approach right now: ✅ Audit your current outreach — Are you customizing based on personas or individuals? ✅ Understand your buyers’ decision-making styles — Tools like DISC can help. ✅ Invest in emotional intelligence — Winning trust requires more than just logic. ✅ Use AI to amplify, not automate — Layer intelligence onto your existing workflows. ✅ Map your buying committees — Know the silent killers and what drives them. ✅ Treat sales as a helping profession — Shift your team culture from persuasion to enablement. Final Thoughts Personality-driven selling isn’t a gimmick—it’s a competitive edge. In a world where buyers ghost generic pitches, deep personalization rooted in emotional intelligence is the new table stakes. With tools like Humantic AI and leaders like Amarpreet paving the way, the future of B2B sales looks a lot more human. Want to hear more stories from revenue leaders? 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From Chaos to Clarity: Building a Unified Revenue Engine A conversation with Alana Kadden Ballon, VP of Revenue Operations at Sprout Social. In a world overflowing with data, what go-to-market teams need most isn’t more information—it’s unified, trusted, and actionable data. But with siloed systems, misaligned incentives, and scattered signals, many revenue organizations face what’s best described as “data chaos.” In this episode of The Revenue Lounge, Alana Ballon, VP of Revenue Operations at Sprout Social, joins the show to talk about cutting through that chaos to build a unified revenue engine—one that aligns teams, connects insights, and drives growth at scale. Facebook Twitter Youtube The Journey from Sales to Strategy Alana’s story begins on the sales floor, grinding through BDR calls before becoming an AE, enablement leader, and finally a RevOps strategist. Her early experience shaped a foundational understanding of customer challenges and cross-functional collaboration—making her uniquely equipped to scale revenue engines in hyper-growth SaaS environments like Salesforce, Wiz, and now Sprout Social. What drew her to Sprout? The opportunity to work with trusted leaders, a public company context, and a product that sits at the intersection of social, AI, and media evolution—all within a team hungry for change. What Is a Unified Revenue Engine? To Alana, a unified revenue engine means more than systems talking to each other—it means people and incentives aligned to a single goal: doing what’s right for the customer and the company. Key takeaway:Alignment starts with incentive structures. When sales, marketing, and customer success are driven by shared metrics—like retention, expansion, and customer health—silos start to dissolve. But the path to unification is often blocked by: Frankenstein tech stacks from years of point solution purchases Poor data governance Disconnected workflows across functions Fixing this isn’t just about buying more tools. It’s about aligning people, processes, and platforms around actionable outcomes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJcdXXzWY3M&t=399s The Watermelon Analogy: Slicing Beyond Surface Metrics Alana introduces a powerful metaphor: the watermelon pipeline. On the outside, everything looks green. But slice it open, and you’ll find the red spots—underperformance in specific segments, sources, or geos. Tips for slicing your watermelon: Dimension What to Check By Source AE-generated vs. marketing vs. partners By Segment Enterprise vs. commercial By Geography Global vs. regional performance By Funnel Stage Are conversions where they should be?   This granular visibility helps GTM leaders diagnose problems early and apply the right levers—from geo-specific campaigns to product-market fit adjustments. From Volume to Value: A Shift in Sales Strategy Alana warns against the trap of prioritizing volume over value—especially in prospecting. “Generic outbound isn’t working. Buyers want value, not spam,” she explains. How Sprout Social is Shifting to Value: Using AI to personalize outreach with real-time brand and campaign data Equipping reps to lead with insight (e.g., “Here’s how your campaign is performing” vs. “Do you want to see a demo?”) Empowering SDRs to think like marketers and act like advisors RevOps Role:Lead the operational cadence that enables this—daily signal reviews, weekly experiment tracking, and cross-functional feedback loops. Aligning GTM Teams: One Plan, One Voice RevOps isn’t just about analytics—it’s about orchestration. At Sprout, Alana ensures that all GTM functions (sales, marketing, channel) plan together, report together, and adapt together. “If you plan separately, you can’t execute together,” she says. Key Practice:Monthly pipeline reviews aren’t blame games—they’re working sessions to adjust levers and optimize together. The Buying Group Shift: Earlier Multi-Threading Traditional MQLs are fading. Sprout, like many modern GTM orgs, is moving towards buying group-based strategies. “Sales calls it multi-threading. Marketing calls it buying groups. Either way, we’re pulling that motion earlier.” This shift requires: Strong opportunity data Early engagement of multiple stakeholders Alignment between sales, marketing, and product marketing Data Readiness Before AI Alana is clear: AI won’t save you if your data is messy. Clean, connected, and governed data is the foundation of any AI-driven GTM motion. Start with the daisy chain: Identify a business problem (not just a data issue). Trace the data gaps that cause it. Fix one thing. Show value. Scale iteratively. Whether it’s country misclassification or duplicate records, solve what’s blocking execution—not just what looks messy on paper. Enabling the RevOps Seat at the Table Alana’s advice for RevOps professionals who want to be seen as strategic partners? Choose your leadership wisely. Strategic RevOps needs alignment with CROs, CMOs, and customer leaders. Automate to accelerate. Her team’s move to auto-generate retro reports lets analysts focus on insights, not spreadsheet prep. Deliver impact iteratively. Big-bang data projects rarely work. Find tangible business problems and chip away. Looking Ahead: The Future of Sales and AI Alana predicts a future where AI will act as an “operator” for salespeople—pulling data, crafting outreach, and driving next steps autonomously. But the human connection won’t disappear. “Sellers will become more technical, more strategic. AI will augment—but not replace—the relationships at the heart of enterprise sales.” Final Thoughts If you’re a revenue leader navigating the messy middle of disconnected data and siloed teams, Alana’s message is clear: Align around the customer Slice the watermelon Start small, show value, and scale And never forget—clean data is the rocket fuel of RevOps Want to hear more stories from revenue leaders? 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Data Before AI: Building a Clean Foundation for Smarter RevOps A conversation with Olga Traskova, VP of Revenue Operations at Birdeye. The AI boom has hit B2B go-to-market teams hard. Everyone wants to automate, optimize, and accelerate—but few are pausing to address the silent killer of ROI: bad data. In this episode of The Revenue Lounge, we sit down with Olga Traskova, VP of Revenue Operations at Birdeye, to unpack the unglamorous yet crucial reality behind AI success: data quality and readiness. With over 15 years in revenue and marketing operations, Olga shares battle-tested insights into building a strong data foundation, choosing the right AI use cases, and avoiding common traps in AI adoption. “We’re trying to drive a Rolls-Royce without a license—and no garage to park it in.”— Olga Traskova, VP Revenue Operations, Birdeye Facebook Twitter Youtube Olga’s Journey — From Marketing Ops to RevOps Leadership Olga began her career in marketing operations, eventually expanding into RevOps as she tackled more cross-functional business challenges. Her growth wasn’t just vertical but horizontal—across marketing, sales, and customer success. Now, as the VP of RevOps at Birdeye, she leads a global operations team serving the US, UK, and Australia. Her mission? Drive revenue efficiency by integrating people, processes, and tools across the customer lifecycle. Her approach is anti-silo: while team members have domain specialties, everyone is cross-trained. This enables agility and ensures seamless support for any GTM leader who engages with RevOps. Why AI Alone is Not the Answer AI is not a magic wand. If your systems are riddled with bad data, no amount of intelligence—artificial or otherwise—can generate reliable insights. Olga shares a relatable frustration: attempting to implement a call transcription tool that auto-fills Salesforce fields to save sales reps time. But when the tool failed to sync correctly with CRM, the data became misaligned, rendering the AI-generated insights useless. “You’re just placing a shiny object on top of garbage. Fix your foundational processes first.” This experience underscores a key RevOps truth: clean data is not optional. It’s a prerequisite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ZoyfU1o8A Three Common Mistakes in AI Adoption Olga highlights several pitfalls that GTM teams must avoid: No Data Foundation: Jumping into AI without structured, accurate data is like building a house on sand. Undefined Use Case: Many teams chase tools without clearly identifying the problem they’re solving. Tool Fatigue: Over-purchasing tools creates more chaos. Teams must prioritize longevity and ease of use. Mistake Description Solution Data Chaos CRM is inconsistent, fragmented, or siloed. Conduct a full data hygiene audit. Vague Goals Buying AI tools without clarity on business outcomes. Define KPIs and workflows before evaluation. Short-Term Thinking Choosing flashy new tools that lack long-term viability. Vet vendors for stability and integration. A Framework for Evaluating AI in RevOps Olga’s decision-making process is grounded in use-case prioritization and long-term alignment. Here’s how she approaches evaluating new AI technologies: Start with a problem: Identify the business gap (e.g., inaccurate forecasts, time-consuming manual tasks). Map to outcomes: Connect the tool to a measurable objective (e.g., improving forecast accuracy within 5%). Assess adoption impact: Will your reps need major retraining? Is it intuitive? Avoid vendor churn: Choose tools with longevity. Avoid investing in platforms likely to fold or get acquired. “Sometimes you don’t need a new tool. You just need to explore what your current stack can already do.” The Anatomy of a Data-Ready Organization Before AI can thrive, core data elements must be defined, standardized, and consistently used. Olga recommends: Clear object mapping: Standardize definitions for leads, contacts, accounts, and opportunities. Journey alignment: Define lifecycle stages and statuses across marketing, sales, and CS. Field governance: Ensure input fields (titles, stages, reasons) are consistent and readable. CRM integration: All third-party tools (e.g., Gong, Outreach) must sync cleanly into your CRM. Your data model should be simple enough to translate into a plain-language sentence. If AI can’t “read” it clearly, it can’t act effectively. Solving the Silo Problem Despite increasing tech stack integration, most data remains siloed. Tools like sales engagement platforms often retain data internally instead of pushing it into CRM. Olga explains that today, CRM remains the system of record for her team—especially to support forecasting and enforce sales methodologies like MEDDIC. She envisions a near-future where language-model-powered agents aggregate insights across tools seamlessly, eliminating the need for a singular data warehouse. But until that vision is reality, enforcing consistency in CRM remains critical. Measuring AI Success: Beyond Buzzwords One of the most critical, yet often ignored, aspects of AI adoption is ROI measurement. Olga encourages RevOps leaders to think deeply about what success looks like: Is your AI helping reduce CAC? Are sales cycles shortening? Is forecasting accuracy improving? In her experience, AI tools can identify improvement areas (e.g., objection handling, qualification gaps), but execution still depends on humans. That’s where enablement, coaching, and process management come in. “AI can’t execute. You still need to ensure things get done.” Who Owns AI in GTM? A Cross-Functional Responsibility At Birdeye, AI ownership sits across the go-to-market leadership—sales, marketing, CS, solutions engineering, and RevOps. While RevOps leads vendor evaluation and implementation, all stakeholders collaborate on identifying use cases and defining requirements. Security and compliance teams are also critical players, especially as legal concerns about data privacy, training models, and proprietary information increase. “To stay ahead, every GTM leader must go back to the ‘how’ and the ‘what’ of AI. You can’t afford to ignore it.” Olga’s AI Stack: Tools That Work Today While enterprise-wide rollouts are still evolving, Olga and her team leverage several tools to boost productivity: ChatGPT & Claude: For research, data analysis, and ideation Gamma: To turn findings into visual presentations quickly Zoom AI Companion: For call summaries and next steps LinkedIn Sales Nav AI: For prospect intelligence She emphasizes that many AI capabilities already exist within current tools. Leaders should prioritize exploring these features before investing in something new. Final Thoughts: The Human-AI Partnership Olga doesn’t believe AI is here to replace people—not yet. Instead, she sees it as

From MQLs to Opportunity-Centric Revenue: How Reltio Transformed Its GTM Strategy A conversation with Joel Jacob, Director of Marketing Operations at Reltio. For years, marketing teams have been evaluated by MQLs (Marketing Qualified Leads). But as B2B buying behavior has evolved—where decisions are made by buying committees and involve longer, more complex journeys—the MQL metric no longer serves its original purpose. One person filling out a form doesn’t indicate true intent, and one lead doesn’t equal one deal. The Shift: From Leads to Opportunities Reltio, a leading B2B SaaS platform that unifies data for enterprise clients, realized this shift early. With a sales cycle averaging nine months and involving multiple stakeholders, their traditional lead-based funnel was no longer sustainable. Joel Jacob, Director of Marketing Operations at Reltio, shares how they transitioned from a legacy MQL-based model to a modern, opportunity-centric buying group strategy. This wasn’t just a process tweak—it was an end-to-end transformation of their go-to-market engine, completed in just 60 days. Facebook Twitter Youtube Why the MQL Model Failed Reltio Joel and his team began by diagnosing the inefficiencies of their MQL-centric process: 1% Conversion Rate: Only 1 out of every 100 MQLs was turning into closed-won revenue. Single-Threaded Opportunities: BDRs would often pursue individual leads without context, while AEs had to manually identify and involve the broader buying group. Misaligned Processes: Marketing, BDRs, and sales were working in silos, tracking separate KPIs and speaking different languages. High Customer Expectations: Their enterprise clients required a tailored, consultative approach, not generic drip campaigns and lead scoring. “We weren’t solving for how we sell. We needed to solve for how our customers buy.” What Changed: The Opportunity-Based Revenue Engine At the heart of Reltio’s new model is the concept of an opportunity container that is tracked from the very start of the buying journey. Key Components: Stage 0 Opportunities: Created proactively for cold target accounts to align all GTM efforts from the get-go. Buying Group Identification: Progress only happens when at least three relevant personas are identified within the opportunity. Unified Funnel Ownership: Marketing, BDRs, and AEs jointly own and advance each opportunity. Real-Time Intent + Historical Data: Powering personalized campaigns and outreach using platforms like 6sense and LeanData. Persona-Based Targeting: Ads and outreach are aligned with opportunity stage and key personas, not just job titles or industries. This model allows for marketing to target ads based on opportunity stage, for BDRs to tailor messaging using real-time insights, and for AEs to focus on qualified, committee-led opportunities.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPhOjO54wac&t=1s Overcoming Operational Hurdles Implementing this new strategy wasn’t without challenges: Time Constraint: The entire shift had to happen in just 60 days, before the start of the fiscal year. No New Tech: Reltio opted to re-architect their existing stack (Salesforce, Marketo, LeanData, 6sense) rather than buy new tools. Zero Downtime: The transition had to happen without interrupting live sales or BDR workflows. Team Alignment: Joel and team had to overcome deeply entrenched habits and misaligned incentives. “We stopped calling ourselves marketing or sales ops. We were just ‘operations’—unified behind a common goal.” Data Quality: The Real MVP Joel emphasized that none of this would have been possible without clean, connected data across marketing and sales systems. Years before the switch, Reltio had invested in data unification and intent platforms. That foundation paid off. Historical Data: Enabled predictive modeling via 6sense. Account-Centric View: Powered by LeanData and Salesforce to track buying group activity. No More Attribution Wars: Everyone works the same opportunities, making marketing influence clear without the blame game. “60 days gets the headlines, but that was only possible because we invested years into getting our data right.” The Role of AI in a Data-Ready World Joel’s team now uses AI to increase efficiency in key areas: BDR Enablement: Automating research and outreach so reps spend more time engaging and less time preparing. Predictive Signals: Using AI to model when an account is likely to move into an active buying cycle—based on engagement and historical patterns. Campaign Optimization: Automating content and ad delivery based on opportunity stage. But he warns: AI without good data is meaningless. “There is no AI without clean data. If you feed bad data into AI, you’ll just get bad results faster.” The Payoff: Faster Velocity, Better Pipeline Stickiness Reltio’s transformation delivered results fast: Pipeline Stickiness: Opportunities are more likely to progress and less likely to go dark. Faster Velocity: More deals now close within the same fiscal year, despite a 9-month average cycle. Better Alignment: GTM teams operate from the same playbook, improving efficiency and morale. Clear Attribution: Marketing and sales share credit instead of competing for it. Advice for Teams Looking to Make the Shift Joel’s parting advice for RevOps and marketing leaders: Let the Data Lead: Start with facts, not opinions. Use historical conversion rates to make the case for change. Collaborate Cross-Functionally: Ditch the silos. Align Ops, Sales, and Marketing under shared goals. Don’t Wait for Perfection: You don’t need a perfect tech stack. Use what you have and iterate. Train and Align Mindsets: It’s not just a systems change—it’s a mindset shift. Over-communicate and retrain internal teams on the new model. Stay Customer-Centric: Build your process around how your customers actually buy—not around your internal comfort zone. Final Thoughts Reltio’s journey proves that moving beyond MQLs is possible—and impactful. But it requires more than new tools or campaigns. It takes executive buy-in, operational discipline, and a deep commitment to aligning every team around opportunity creation and customer value. “We don’t talk about ABM anymore. We just call it the process. Because it’s how we work now.” Want to hear more stories from revenue leaders? Subscribe to The Revenue Lounge podcast to never miss an episode! More Resources

From MQLs to Buying Groups: How Palo Alto Networks Modernized Its GTM Engine A conversation with Jeremy Schwartz, Sr. Manager, Global Lead Management & Strategy at Palo Alto Networks In a rapidly evolving B2B landscape, where multiple stakeholders now shape buying decisions, relying solely on traditional MQL-based models no longer cuts it. At Palo Alto Networks, Jeremy Schwartz, Senior Manager of Global Lead Management & Strategy, has been spearheading a transformation—shifting the company from an outdated lead-centric model to a buying group-focused motion. This move hasn’t just modernized their go-to-market strategy; it’s delivered tangible business results. In this blog, we break down Palo Alto Networks’ journey, the challenges they faced, and the playbook they followed to build a scalable, revenue-generating buying group engine. Facebook Twitter Youtube The Problem: A Funnel Full of Waste Jeremy had a front-row seat to the inefficiencies of the MQL model. From his experience as a campaign strategist and now as a lead management leader, one thing was clear: MQLs were often vanity metrics. “You drive great MQLs that either don’t convert or get thrown back. The lowest person on the totem pole is often the MQL—and sales doesn’t want to waste time on them.” – Jeremy Schwartz Campaigns generated leads, but many never matured into opportunities. Even when they did, sales would frequently reject them, seeing little value in a lone networking admin reaching out. The funnel was leaking at every stage. The Aha Moment: Forrester’s B2B Revenue Waterfall The real turning point came when Jeremy attended a Forrester conference and learned about their B2B Opportunity Waterfall model. It flipped the focus from individuals to buying groups. Inspired, Jeremy returned and pitched the idea internally. His leadership responded with: “Run a pilot and show us what you find.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx74q_tiIGg&t=4s Phase 1: Building the Pilot Palo Alto’s pilot kicked off with a 3-month research phase. The team mapped out what people, processes, and systems would be impacted, then aligned with Forrester to tailor the buying group model to their environment. People First They recruited BDRs across multiple GTMs (product go-to-markets), geographies, and segments to get a representative pilot group. At the same time, they analyzed two years of closed-won data to identify real buying group personas. “You don’t need to hire a consultancy to identify your buying groups. Look at your closed-won data—it’s all there.” – Jeremy Schwartz Process Discovery They identified two key BDR motions: Create new opportunities with multiple stakeholders. Add new engaged personas to existing opportunities. Both processes, however, were painfully manual—10+ steps each. Phase 2: Launch and Learn They ran the pilot for a full quarter. Initial triggers still came via MQLs, but BDRs were trained to: Check intent platforms (like Demandbase) Identify other engaged personas at the same account Multi-thread their outreach This approach led to: More meetings booked Better response rates (especially when referencing colleagues) Higher acceptance by AEs (thanks to meetings involving multiple roles) “Mentioning a colleague in an outreach email is real personalization. And it worked.” – Jeremy Schwartz The kicker? Deals with multiple stakeholders started closing—faster and at higher values. They presented the early pilot results to their CMO. The response? “That’s cute.” So the team partnered with data science to extrapolate the results across all opportunities. The model predicted a 13% revenue lift—assuming full buying group coverage. That got attention. “Suddenly, our CMO said, ‘Do more of that.’” – Jeremy Schwartz Phase 3: Automation and Scale To make the process scalable, they built automation in their internal cloud app: When a lead was accepted by a BDR, the system automatically identified other engaged personas from that account. These individuals were assigned to the same BDR for follow-up. Adding someone to an existing opportunity became a one-click process that even notified the AE. They also created custom dashboards to track metrics like: Number of opportunities with buying groups Deal size and velocity Incremental pipeline created Coverage across accounts and products By the end of their fiscal year, these automations were live globally across all BDR teams. Results That Mattered Here’s what Palo Alto Networks achieved by moving to a buying group model: Metric Improvement Deal Size 2.6x increase (in certain segments) Conversion to Pipeline Significant lift over MQL-only opps Closed-Won Rates Higher for opportunities with buying groups Pipeline Quality Larger, multi-threaded deals Coverage 12% of Q2 opps had buying groups; target = 15%   They also introduced new marketing metrics: Campaign-to-Opportunity: Replacing MQL-to-Opportunity Buying Group Coverage: How many personas per deal Buyer Representation Spread: Ensuring campaigns target multiple personas, not just admins “Our leadership is still MQL-obsessed, but now we’re reporting incremental pipeline and seeing influence in closed-won deals.” – Jeremy Schwartz Building the Future: A Signal-Based Scoring Model Palo Alto’s next frontier? Replacing lead scores with signal-based models using four dimensions: Fit: ICP match Intent: 1st, 2nd, and 3rd-party signals Engagement: Website visits, downloads, event participation Completeness: Buying group coverage per account “If three or more people are showing up from an account, with different titles, that’s a signal. You don’t wait for an MQL to act.” – Jeremy Schwartz Lessons Learned: What Jeremy Would Do Differently Push for executive alignment earlier Involve campaign marketers sooner after pilot results Don’t overdesign—start small, learn fast, course-correct Accept the reality of system complexity (especially in older enterprises) “Martech stacks are like Rome—layers upon layers built by different people over time. Nothing is clean.” – Jeremy Schwartz Advice for Companies Starting the Journey Start small with a controlled pilot. Use your own data to identify buying groups. Get BDRs involved first—they’re closest to pipeline creation. Automate before scaling. Show revenue impact, not just lead volume.   “Even if your leadership still chases MQLs, show them better conversion, deal size, and real revenue impact. That’s what moves the needle.” – Jeremy Schwartz Final Thoughts Palo Alto Networks didn’t just adopt a trendy new model. They operationalized a seismic shift in how revenue is created—by recognizing buying groups as the real unit of conversion in B2B. Whether you’re just starting

Welcome to The Revenue Lounge How to Influence Buying Groups with Data, Intent, and ABM A conversation with Sydney Sloan, Chief Market Officer at G2. B2B buying has transformed. What was once a one-on-one sales conversation is now a team sport, spanning roles, departments, and even geographies. Today’s buyers are informed, autonomous, and collaborative. They’re forming buying groups long before sales ever enters the conversation. And if your go-to-market (GTM) team isn’t aligned to this reality, you’re already playing catch-up. In this episode of The Revenue Lounge, Randy Likas sits down with Sydney Sloan, Chief Market Officer at G2, to unpack how marketing and sales teams can evolve to influence modern buying groups. She is a 4X CMO, board member and advisor with decades of experience in driving transformative growth and innovation for high-tech companies. Sydney offers a masterclass in using data, intent signals, and segmentation to win complex deals. Here’s a breakdown of the conversation—and why it matters. Facebook Twitter Youtube 🚨 Why Buying Groups Matter More Than Ever The traditional lead-based model is failing. As Sydney puts it, “MQLs are noise.” They flood sales with contacts that aren’t ready to buy—leading to frustration, wasted time, and missed opportunities. Instead, modern revenue teams must focus on identifying buying groups—clusters of stakeholders from the same account showing interest in your solution. These signals can come from downloading content, comparing vendors, visiting your pricing page, or just quietly researching on review platforms. A single lead might lie. But a buying group rarely does. “When you have executive alignment and more than three people in the buying cycle, close rates are 44% higher.”– Sydney Sloan, CMO, G2   🧠 Data Is the Foundation. But it Needs to Be Smart Sydney breaks down three types of intent data: Third-party: Activity across the open web (e.g., searches, keyword trends). Second-party: Data from trusted ecosystems like G2—category views, comparisons, reviews. First-party: Visitor behavior on your own website, CRM engagement history, and sales activity. The magic happens when you triangulate these data sources. For instance, if someone downloaded your whitepaper (first-party), compared your product with a competitor on G2 (second-party), and searched relevant terms online (third-party)—you’ve got a red-hot buying group signal. But here’s the catch: if your CRM is a mess or your systems are siloed, you’ll never connect those dots.   “There’s no excuse not to have tier 1 and 2 accounts built out with clean, up-to-date contacts across buying personas.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkYTDVKx5Eg 🔁 The New GTM Playbook: From Leads to Stakeholders Moving to a buying group strategy requires more than good data—it requires GTM alignment. Instead of chasing individual MQLs, Sydney recommends: Scoring accounts, not contacts. Tracking signals at the account level to prioritize outreach. Rethinking SDR metrics: focus on meetings with multiple personas, not just any meeting. Partnering marketing, sales, and product around a shared account strategy. Sydney shares how G2 moved to an account-based model where the sales team gets tailored engagement strategies based on segment (SMB, mid-market, enterprise). Every team member—from demand gen to product marketing—knows who their core personas are and how they relate to each other. 🧩 Operationalizing Buying Groups at Scale At Forrester’s recent event, a key theme emerged: evolving from “buying groups” to “buying networks.” This includes partners, peers, analysts, and ecosystems that influence buyer decisions. Sydney highlights a few scalable tactics to work with buying groups: Persona Workshops: G2 ran hands-on workshops using real Gong quotes to help every department internalize customer personas. Segmented Campaigns: Instead of generic ABM, G2 builds micro-segments like “Security companies using 6sense, not yet G2 customers,” and tailors messaging accordingly. Pipeline Meetings: Marketing, sales, and SDRs review the same data together bi-weekly to troubleshoot stuck opportunities and improve velocity. Deal Acceleration Programs: Everyone in stage 2 of the pipeline gets invited to bi-weekly virtual events to deepen relationships and drive conversion. ⚖️ Brand vs. Demand: It’s Not Either/Or Many companies struggle with where to invest: long-term brand or short-term pipeline. Sydney makes it clear: do both, early and often. Brand earns you a seat at the table. G2’s Buyer Behavior Report shows average vendor shortlists are down to just three. Demand capture turns that attention into pipeline. “Brand is giving something away with no ask. Demand is giving something away to capture a contact. Different plays, both essential.” 📈 Rethinking KPIs for Buying Group Success MQLs are out. So what’s in? Sydney advocates for shared KPIs across marketing and sales focused on: Pipeline creation Closed-won revenue Retention Internally, marketing can track velocity, lead-to-meeting time, and program-level cost-per-lead. But in cross-functional pipeline meetings, everyone should speak the same language: revenue. 🧹 The Data Problem: Why RevOps Must Lead One of the biggest blockers to activating buying group strategies is messy, siloed data. Marketing tools hoard information. Sales tools don’t sync well. And critical insights never make it to the opportunity record. The solution? A strong Revenue Operations team. “I’ve surrendered. Marketing Ops now sits in RevOps—and that’s a good thing. RevOps should own the data foundation.” Clean data doesn’t just support GTM alignment—it powers AI and automation. And as Sydney warns, “Bad data trains bad agents.” 🚀 Final Takeaways: Winning with Buying Groups Buying groups are real—and they convert better. Track and engage multiple stakeholders early. Use intent signals across data types. Build workflows that treat G2 comparisons and pricing page visits as bottom-of-funnel signals. Go beyond ABM. Focus on micro-segments to tell sharper, more personalized stories. Align GTM with shared KPIs. Eliminate the MQL silo and focus on revenue outcomes. Fix your data. Clean, enriched CRM data is essential for sales, marketing, and AI. Want to build a buying group motion that works? Start by getting your GTM teams aligned, your data house in order, and your content strategy laser-focused on each persona in the buying network. And if you’re still chasing MQLs, it might be time to hit pause—and rebuild for the way B2B buying actually works today. Want to hear more stories from revenue leaders? Subscribe to The

Account Based Marketing vs Lead Generation: Why It’s Time to Rethink Your Strategy A conversation with Kristina Jaramillo, President at Personal ABM. In today’s B2B world, account based marketing vs lead generation isn’t just a battle of tactics—it’s a clash of mindsets. While lead generation focuses on volume and filling the top of the funnel, account-based marketing (ABM) is about precision, alignment, and long-term revenue growth. But here’s the catch: many companies think they’re doing ABM when they’re really just putting a shiny label on their old lead-gen playbooks. According to Kristina Jaramillo, President of Personal ABM, true ABM is not a campaign—it’s a strategic transformation. Facebook Twitter Youtube The Problem: ABM is Misunderstood and Misapplied “ABM isn’t just better targeting. It’s a company-wide go-to-market strategy that aligns marketing, sales, customer success, and product around shared revenue goals.” Most organizations jump into ABM by identifying a list of accounts, defining a few goals, and layering campaigns on top of existing demand gen efforts. But they fail to rethink their content, messaging, team structure, or go-to-market motions. In essence, they’re doing targeted lead generation, not ABM. Element Lead Generation Account Based Marketing Goal Generate as many leads as possible Land and expand strategic accounts Measurement MQLs, form fills, engagement rates Stage progression, win rates, NRR Ownership Primarily marketing Cross-functional: Sales, Marketing, CS, RevOps Approach One-to-many campaigns 1:1, 1:few, or 1:many with personalization Content Generic and persona-based Account-specific and insight-driven Why ABM Often Fails to Deliver Revenue Here’s what Kristina sees time and time again: Companies treat ABM as a bolt-on tactic, not a fundamental shift. Sales and marketing aren’t aligned on account selection, goals, or success metrics. The program lacks executive sponsorship and cross-functional ownership. Teams don’t tailor messaging to strategic priorities or address the status quo bias in buying committees. ABM is measured with tactical metrics like MQAs, not business outcomes. ABM can’t be delegated to a single marketing manager or retrofitted to an existing funnel. It has to be designed to solve the biggest revenue problems—whether that’s breaking into enterprise accounts, reducing churn, or expanding current customers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFc4f34PJpg A Better Approach to ABM: Start With the Revenue Gaps Kristina’s team begins every ABM engagement by identifying where the revenue leaks are: Are we losing to competitors we should beat? Are customers churning after a short term? Are we unable to move upmarket? Once the problem is clear, the strategy follows: Align sales, marketing, CS, and RevOps around shared objectives. Redefine the Ideal Customer Profile (ICP) based on high-value customers. Develop account-specific messaging tied to strategic business priorities. Focus on internal buyer enablement, not just external outreach. Track meaningful KPIs like deal velocity, ACV growth, and multi-threading success. “ABM is not about the next deal. It’s about driving the greatest revenue streams year over year.” Don’t Just Buy Tech. Build Strategy First Intent platforms like 6sense and Demandbase have become synonymous with ABM—but Kristina cautions against this mindset. “ABM tech doesn’t equal ABM strategy. Buying a platform doesn’t fix broken processes or align your teams.” Intent data only reflects current behaviors—it’s speculative, not predictive. It doesn’t tell you if the account is culturally aligned, ready for change, or worth pursuing. Tech should enable a strategy—not define it. Real-World Proof: How Messaging Changed Everything Kristina shared the story of a freight analytics company struggling to expand deal sizes. Their content was aimed at transportation managers—the platform users—not decision-makers. Their main competitor even offered a similar solution for free. By shifting the messaging to show how their platform integrated with demand forecasting, inventory management, and margin protection, they repositioned their value for C-suite leaders. That shift helped them land and expand accounts on Gartner’s Top 25 Supply Chain list. Metrics That Matter in ABM To measure ABM success, forget MQLs. Kristina recommends focusing on: Stage progression ACV growth Win rates against competitors Engagement with C-suite buyers NRR (Net Revenue Retention) “If your ABM isn’t improving deal size, win rate, and retention—you’re not doing ABM.” Final Thoughts: Time to Kill the Triangle One of Kristina’s boldest takeaways? It’s time to ditch the outdated ABM pyramid. The one-to-many → one-to-few → one-to-one model is too rigid and siloed. Instead, think of it as a dynamic funnel, where high-fit accounts earn deeper personalization based on engagement, strategic fit, and growth potential. TL;DR: Account Based Marketing vs Lead Generation ABM isn’t an evolution of lead gen—it’s a fundamentally different strategy. ABM focuses on revenue, retention, and relationship building, not just pipeline. True ABM requires executive sponsorship, team alignment, and account-specific engagement. Tech alone won’t save you—strategy must come first. Kill the pyramid. Build programs that are integrated, adaptive, and focused on the entire account journey. Want to hear more stories from revenue leaders? Subscribe to The Revenue Lounge podcast to never miss an episode! More Resources

From MQLs to Buying Groups: How Reltio Transformed Its GTM Strategy A conversation with Eric Cross, CRO at Reltio. For years, revenue teams have leaned heavily on the MQL. It was the industry-standard metric for marketing success—and the lifeblood of pipeline generation for B2B companies. But in today’s world of complex buying decisions, anonymous research, and multi-threaded stakeholder involvement, the MQL is failing. The old playbooks simply don’t map to how enterprise buyers actually operate today. Eric Cross, Chief Revenue Officer at Reltio, saw this firsthand. And rather than trying to force-fit modern buyers into outdated systems, he and his team made a bold move: they rebuilt their entire go-to-market motion around buying groups. This wasn’t a pilot. It wasn’t a small A/B test. It was a company-wide transformation executed in just 60 days. And the results were staggering: 60% reduction in pipeline attrition 22–23% improvement in average time to close 20% increase in average deal size Best-in-class competitive win rates In this blog, we’ll walk you through exactly how Reltio made this shift—from early warning signs to full implementation, change management, technology, and metrics. If you’re a RevOps, Marketing, or Sales leader evaluating your next GTM evolution, this is the playbook. Facebook Twitter Youtube Spotting the Cracks: Why the MQL Model Wasn’t Enough Eric joined Reltio in 2020 and began evaluating the revenue engine. The data told a troubling story. “We had a legacy demand gen model: leads to MQLs, then into pipeline, and hopefully into opportunities. But once deals entered the pipeline, we were evaporating 35–40% of them in the first two stages. That was alarming.” The consequence? The pipeline looked deceptively healthy on paper, but in reality, a significant chunk was never going to close. “We were creating a false sense of security about how healthy our pipeline was. That was the catalyst for change.” Realignment Begins: “Sales Owns Marketing, and Marketing Owns Sales” The first step wasn’t tactical—it was cultural. “Most companies operate in silos. Sales blames marketing. Marketing blames sales. I had to rewire that thinking completely. We stopped talking about ‘sales’ and ‘marketing.’ We became one GTM team. Sales owns marketing. Marketing owns sales.” To build consensus, Eric organized a two-day offsite with cross-functional leaders from Sales, Marketing, Product, Customer Success, and Ops. “It wasn’t just a marketing and sales decision. This had to be a company decision. We locked the team in a room and said, ‘We’re walking out of here aligned.’” The team was instructed to prepare: A brief problem statement Recommended actions A vision for a new GTM model And they debated—openly and intensely. “You get highs and lows during a session like that. But we made a rule: we don’t have to agree, but we do have to commit. We were either all in or not doing it at all.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKosC5cYEpU&t=430s Burning the Boats: Why Reltio Didn’t Pilot the Buying Group Model One of the boldest decisions Reltio made was to roll the new model out across the company—not as a pilot. “Pilot programs signal you’re not committed. People think: ‘This is an exercise, I don’t have to change.’ I’ve never seen a pet project like that succeed. So we said: all in, or not at all.” That decision came with high stakes. “I told our CEO, Manisha, ‘This will either be a game-changer—or you’ll be looking for a new CRO.’” But conviction won out. The team moved forward with full executive and board-level awareness and support. Why Buying Groups? Understanding the Strategic Shift Eric’s rationale for abandoning MQLs in favor of buying groups was rooted in today’s B2B buying behavior. “Enterprise buyers don’t raise their hand right away. They stay anonymous for 60–70% of the buying journey. By the time they engage, they’ve already formed a direction.” This made traditional lead generation—like cold calls and webinar follow-ups—ineffective. “We’re in the era of the great ignore. Buyers get 30 spammy emails a day. They can see automation a mile away. We needed to earn attention earlier, smarter.” The solution? Use intent data to identify surging accounts Personalize outreach for each persona within a buying group Focus on qualified engagement from multiple stakeholders, not just one lead “It’s no longer about how many people we reach. It’s about reaching the right people—the ones who matter to the deal.” The 60-Day GTM Overhaul: From Planning to Execution Eric broke the transformation into three phases: 1. Design and Planning Finalize buying group motion Align teams on definitions, personas, and ICP Redefine opportunity entry/exit criteria Introduce Forrester to validate and refine the strategy “We brought in Forrester to spend half a day with us. They stress-tested our approach and made some great suggestions we incorporated.” 2. Development and Testing Align tech stack: Salesforce, 6sense, Salesloft, Outreach Build ABX dashboards for AEs and BDRs Re-architect sales stages and qualification frameworks (BANT, MedPIC) “We created dashboards where reps could see all their accounts and intent signals. The lightbulb went off—they’d never had visibility like that before.” 3. Production Launch and Measurement Rolled out company-wide in 60 days Quietly tested with one regional team for early signals Measured success using pipeline quality, velocity, and conversion benchmarks Overcoming Resistance: How Reltio Won Buy-in from the Frontlines The biggest challenge? Change management among AEs. “The top objection? ‘Just get me meetings. I’ll take it from there.’ That mindset doesn’t work anymore.” To drive adoption, Eric: Ran listening pods with small AE groups Invited feedback to poke holes in the strategy Used individual performance data to show why change was needed “We showed them their personal conversion rates. Some were below 20%. Even if they were hitting quota, it was clear the system was broken.” While 80% of reps leaned in, 20% resisted. In a few cases, Eric made the hard call. “If you can’t get on board, we’ll reassign your accounts. This isn’t optional.” Redefining Metrics: What Success Looks Like in a Buying Group World Reltio stopped measuring MQLs and switched to two key indicators: 1. Pipeline Quality