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Scaling GTM Teams with Data-Driven Insights & Inclusive Leadership

Scaling GTM Teams with Data-Driven Insights & Inclusive Leadership A conversation with Barbara Pawar, VP, Head of US Sales at Avanade. Scaling go-to-market teams in today’s enterprise environment has never been more complex. The stakes are higher, customer expectations are sharper, and leadership has to balance both speed and sustainability. For Barbara Merola Pawar, VP Sales & GTM (US Northeast) at Avanade, the secret to building high-performing GTM organizations lies in an unusual but powerful combination: data discipline, AI enablement, and inclusive leadership. Barbara, who has spent two decades in leadership roles across Fortune 100 enterprises and high-growth SaaS startups, has seen the evolution of sales from the inside out. In her conversation on The Revenue Lounge, she reflected on how data accuracy, coaching culture, and inclusive hiring practices are shaping the GTM playbooks of tomorrow. Her perspective is both practical and deeply human — a reminder that while technology accelerates growth, it’s people who sustain it. Facebook Twitter Youtube Data as the Backbone of GTM Every seller knows the struggle of updating CRM systems. Logging stakeholders, capturing notes, tagging loss reasons — it often feels like an administrative tax on the real work of selling. But as Barbara puts it, data accuracy is non-negotiable. “If the data in CRM is not accurate, finance can’t plan. Marketing can’t nurture effectively. Leaders can’t decide where to invest. Data is the foundation for everything.” — Barbara Pawar She remembers the days when keeping CRM updated was an endless chore, especially without remote access. Today, tools like Microsoft’s Copilot have changed the equation. Sellers no longer need to spend hours keying in updates; AI copilots automate much of the work, giving back valuable selling time while improving the accuracy of organizational data. That shift doesn’t just make life easier for sales reps — it directly influences how finance builds business plans, how marketing targets campaigns, and how leadership decides where to invest. The Ripple Effect of Bad Data: Inaccurate CRM → Misaligned forecasts Misaligned forecasts → Wrong hiring decisions Wrong hiring → Poor investment allocation Poor allocation → Broken GTM execution Sales Data Hygiene Checklist: Ensure executive sponsors are logged in CRM after every client interaction Capture loss reasons consistently and in detail Centralize meeting notes and avoid “email-only” knowledge Use AI copilots to automate repetitive updates AI as a Force Multiplier For Barbara, the biggest breakthrough of the last few years is the way AI has reshaped sales leadership. Preparing for business reviews once required combing through dashboards for half a day. Now, AI copilots can generate a consolidated view of sales and finance data in minutes. “AI isn’t replacing us. It’s enabling us to move faster, remove administrative burdens, and focus on client conversations.” — Barbara Pawar This is where technology becomes a force multiplier. AI tools are not about replacing the art of selling but about amplifying it. They allow leaders to identify anomalies in pipeline health, monitor week-over-week forecast growth, and spot at-risk opportunities before it’s too late. For frontline sellers, AI takes the administrative burden off their shoulders. For leaders, it provides context-rich insights that shape better coaching conversations. Where AI Transforms the Sales Cycle: Lead Qualification → Scoring and prioritization Deal Execution → Real-time insights on next steps Forecasting → Anomaly detection and accuracy improvement Post-Sale → Predictive churn analysis and nurture triggers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBz2IU5E2pk&t=2282s The Evolution from Seller to Leader Perhaps the most relatable part of Barbara’s story is her reflection on moving from individual contributor to sales manager. As a high-performing seller, she controlled her own outcomes, built deep client relationships, and defined success in personal quota attainment. Transitioning to leadership meant letting go of that control and scaling through others. “High-performing sellers often struggle when promoted because they coach others to sell like they sold. But selling is an art—each seller succeeds differently.” — Barbara Pawar That realization reshaped her leadership philosophy. Rather than cloning her own selling style across the team, she emphasizes understanding each individual’s unique strengths. Some sellers need frequent guidance and coaching, while others only need a manager to step in when blockers arise. Barbara believes that true leadership lies in adapting your style to the motivations and personalities of your team — and in creating an environment where every seller can thrive. Weekly Coaching Framework Template: Monday → Pipeline review with a focus on deal blockers Mid-week → Coaching sessions on strategic opportunities Friday → 1:1s to align on motivation, growth, and support Building Context Through Data Barbara’s own daily routine as a sales leader underscores the importance of consistency. Every morning begins with a dashboard review — not just to check pipeline numbers but to spot trends. Is the forecast growing week over week? Are certain industries expanding faster than others? Where is pipeline coverage falling below the 3x quota threshold? She points out that data isn’t only about a sales leader’s own targets. Sometimes the most critical insights lie in the metrics of their boss or executive leadership — such as cost of sale or efficiency ratios. Leaders who only focus on their own dashboards risk missing the bigger picture. The Sales Leader’s Dashboard: Forecast trend line (week-over-week, month-over-month) Pipeline health by industry or region Win/loss breakdown Cost of sale vs. revenue efficiency Turning Losses into Learnings Not every deal can be won, but every loss can be valuable. Barbara has institutionalized the practice of loss reviews — structured sessions that involve not just the sales team but also marketing and other stakeholders. “Over 50% of lost deals are not to competitors—they’re to inaction. Reviewing those deals immediately creates learnings and opportunities for re-engagement.” — Barbara Pawar These sessions are about more than assigning blame. They’re about capturing insights when they’re fresh: What worked well? Where did the client stall? What signals could we have caught earlier? The results often feed nurture campaigns or trigger future re-engagement plays. 📌 Loss Review Agenda Template: Deal summary (from AE and SE) Reasons for loss (competitor / inaction / budget)

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Overcoming Data Challenges in Marketing: Navigating Privacy, Silos & Insight

Overcoming Data Challenges in Marketing: Navigating Privacy, Silos & Insights A conversation with Liana Dubois, Chief Marketing Officer at Nine. Marketing has always been about knowing your customer. But in today’s digital-first world, marketers are drowning in more data than ever before—spread across platforms, governed by shifting privacy laws, and often trapped in silos that make it impossible to see the whole picture. “Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.” That’s how Liana Dubois, Chief Marketing Officer at Nine, frames the challenge. With over 12 years at Australia’s largest locally owned media organization, Liana has lived through the industry’s transition from siloed datasets to a unified, privacy-first strategy built on first-party data. In this conversation, she breaks down the realities of marketing data today: how to extract insight from information overload, why first-party data is the cornerstone of personalized marketing, and why creativity—not just algorithms—remains the beating heart of growth. Facebook Twitter Youtube The Data Dilemma At Nine, the challenge is on a massive scale. With television, radio, publishing, marketplaces, and a streaming service (Stan, Australia’s answer to Netflix), the company has touchpoints with nearly every Australian. In fact, 22 million of the country’s 27 million residents are signed in to one of Nine’s platforms. That scale is a marketer’s dream—and nightmare. “Having a 22 million-person dataset is wonderful,” Liana says, “but it doesn’t give me all the answers. It tells me who I’ve got, how many I’ve got, and what they’re doing on our platforms. But it doesn’t tell me why they’re with me, or what they do when they’re not.” Here lies the trap many marketers fall into: mistaking data points for insights. Numbers can tell you what is happening, but not why. And if you don’t understand the why, you can’t design strategies that deepen loyalty or attract the next wave of audiences. From Data to Insight: Data = The What (e.g., “1M users watched Nine Now last night”) Insight = The Why + How (e.g., “They watched reality TV for social connection—so let’s design campaigns that tap into that human truth”). Breaking Down the Walls Nine didn’t always have this holistic view. The company was once four separate businesses—TV, publishing, radio, and streaming—each operating with their own datasets. The turning point was implementing an Adobe Customer Data Platform (CDP), which allowed Nine to collapse silos into a single customer view. “The CDP has been paramount,” Liana explains. “It’s the only way we could truly see audiences moving between the Sydney Morning Herald, Nine Now, and our other brands. Without it, we’d still be flying blind.” For organizations still wrestling with siloed data, her advice is blunt: make a CDP your first investment. The Power of a CDP: Before → Four isolated businesses, fragmented data. After → Unified customer view, enabling personalized journeys and smarter monetization. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dEQKoC61Bc&t=10s The Rise of First-Party Data If data is the fuel of modern marketing, then first-party data is the premium grade. Nine made a strategic choice years ago: requiring logins across platforms. At the time, it felt risky. Today, it feels visionary. “Whether or not cookies sunset doesn’t matter,” Liana says. “First-party data, treated ethically and with a privacy-first lens, will only become more important.” For brands relying heavily on third-party data, this is the wake-up call. Consumers are increasingly selective about who they share data with, and governments are tightening regulations. Only those who build trust and collect data transparently will thrive. Why First-Party Data Wins: ✅ Owned & durable ✅ Privacy-compliant ✅ Higher accuracy ✅ Stronger personalization ❌ No reliance on third-party cookies The Privacy-Personalization Balance Marketers are obsessed with personalization. But done wrong, it crosses into “creepy” territory. “If I’ve bought a polka-dot blouse, why am I still stalked around the internet by polka-dot blouse ads?” Liana laughs. “That’s not helpful. That’s just lazy targeting.” Her recommendation: avoid over-indexing on micro-targeting. Hyper-granular personalization may squeeze short-term gains, but it fails to nurture long-term demand. Instead, Liana advocates for cohort-based targeting at scale—big enough to avoid creepiness, broad enough to capture future demand, yet precise enough to feel relevant. Targeting Spectrum: ❌ Micro-Targeting → Creepy, short-term ROI ✅ Cohort Targeting → Balanced, scalable, future-proof Measuring What Matters With over a century of legacy across publishing, radio, and TV, Nine doesn’t just measure clicks or impressions. It measures brand equity and audience trust—metrics that can’t be captured in an overnight ratings report. “We fall victim to treasuring what we measure,” Liana warns. “Instead, we need to measure what we treasure.” Her approach mirrors the brands that advertise on Nine. McDonald’s, Uber, Audi—they don’t just measure transactions. They measure growth in customer base, frequency of engagement, and emotional resonance. Balanced Marketing Scorecard: Metric Type Example Why It Matters Audience Growth New viewers, subscribers Expands reach Engagement Time spent, repeat visits Builds loyalty Brand Health Awareness, trust, salience Long-term equity Commercial Outcomes Ad revenue, conversions Ties marketing to business goals AI, Ethics, and the Future Like most CMOs, Liana is excited by AI—but cautious. “AI will only ever be as good as its tradesperson. We’re probably in peak hype cycle now. Eventually it will normalize, like the internet or data once did.” She sees ethics becoming a dominant theme in marketing tech’s future. In fact, she predicts the rise of a new role: the Chief Ethics Officer. Back to the Heart of Marketing: Creativity Despite the hype around data and AI, Liana’s closing message is simple: marketing is still about humans. “Humans buy on emotion and justify with fact. Let’s bring back a renaissance of creativity—storytelling that makes people feel something. Because that’s what drives growth.” In her view, data should inform creativity, not replace it. The best campaigns are powered by insights but carried by emotion. 📑 Template: Creativity + Data Playbook Use data to uncover insights (the “why”) Translate into human truths Build campaigns rooted in emotion & storytelling Measure both brand impact & performance metrics Final Word In a world obsessed with dashboards, data lakes, and martech

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Crafting an Effective Governance Framework for Business Applications

Crafting an Effective Governance Framework for Business Applications A conversation with Bill Vanderwall, VP of Business Applications at Cision. In the SaaS-driven world, businesses rely on dozens, sometimes hundreds, of applications to run sales, marketing, finance, HR, and customer success. From forecasting platforms to customer success dashboards, SaaS powers every corner of go-to-market. But there’s a hidden cost: sprawl. Too many tools. Too many overlapping features. Too many silos. Bill Vanderwall, former VP of Business Applications at Cision, has seen this story unfold at companies like Netscape, Marketo, and Malwarebytes. He’s helped organizations tame chaotic tech stacks, rationalize spend, and align SaaS with business outcomes. In this episode of The Revenue Lounge, Bill breaks down what a SaaS governance framework really looks like, why companies need one, and how to make it stick. Facebook Twitter Youtube Why Governance is No Longer Optional Bill recalls a time when business units could buy tools without involving IT. Sales teams bought engagement platforms. Marketing bought automation. Customer success bought onboarding solutions. Each tool solved a problem, but together, they created a fragmented landscape. “At Marketo and Malwarebytes, I walked into companies where SaaS applications were being managed by the business. Data didn’t flow. Processes broke down. IT had to step in to bring some order.” Governance, Bill explains, isn’t about slowing people down. It’s about creating balance. A good framework ensures: Tools align with business strategy. Data flows across departments. Costs are rationalized. Priorities are set at the right level. The Two-Tier Governance Model The heart of Bill’s playbook lies in a two-level governance structure — one that balances strategy with execution. 1. C-Level Steering Committee (Quarterly) At the top, governance happens at the C-suite. This steering committee meets quarterly to set priorities and allocate IT resources. Bill recalls his time at Malwarebytes, where the CFO drove discipline with a three-year plan: “We’d identify the company’s top goals for the year — say, improving retention — and then align technology investments to achieve them. The C-level team agreed on the priorities, which eliminated politics and kept us focused.” Governance Flow: Company Strategy → Annual Operating Plan → C-Level Priorities → IT & SaaS Execution 2. Operational Committee (Monthly) Beneath the steering committee sits a monthly operational group. This team handles smaller projects, integrations, and SaaS purchases that don’t require C-suite oversight. Example: When a business unit wanted to adopt Gong, the committee vetted it to ensure fit with Salesforce architecture and estimated IT effort. Once approved, the business team owned administration while IT ensured smooth integration. This layered approach creates agility without losing alignment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUPp1J3R2io&t=1s Buy vs. Build: Choosing the Right Path For years, companies wrestled with the “buy vs. build” debate. Bill says the equation has shifted: “With so many best-of-breed solutions available today, buying is usually smarter — unless the capability is core to your product strategy.” Buy vs. Build Decision Matrix Criteria Buy Build Speed to Value ✅ ❌ Cost Efficiency ✅ ❌ Strategic Differentiator ❌ ✅ Core Business Function ❌ ✅ Maintenance Burden ✅ ❌ Taming SaaS Sprawl: Rationalization in Action When Bill joined Marketo, he discovered four separate survey tools in use. Governance turned that chaos into a deliberate choice: one enterprise-grade tool, better aligned with business needs. “Having a lot of applications isn’t automatically bad. But you need to ask: who’s using it, what’s it costing, and is there overlap? Rationalization is about making those calls — ideally before renewal cycles.” Best Practices for Rationalization: Inventory applications bi-annually. Track usage vs. spend with monitoring tools. Consolidate overlapping tools. Align consolidation with strategic priorities. The SaaS Sprawl Funnel: 270 Requests → Group by Themes → Prioritize by Impact → Approve via Governance → Rationalized Roadmap Measuring ROI: Beyond Vendor Claims Every SaaS vendor promises sky-high ROI. Bill is skeptical. “Vendor ROI models are fine directionally, but they’re packed with soft dollars. You need to separate hard savings from fuzzy benefits — and focus on time-to-value.” Key ROI Factors: Hard Dollars: License savings, reduced churn, FTE efficiency. Soft Dollars: Productivity gains, collaboration, user satisfaction. Time-to-Value: How quickly can benefits show up? “A little revenue growth can cover a lot of expenses. Time-to-value often matters more than a perfect ROI model.” Data Quality: The Hidden Governance Layer Bad data is every company’s silent killer. Bill has seen organizations simply “live with it.” But governance frameworks can elevate data quality through: Preventing duplicates at the source. Using enrichment vendors like ZoomInfo. Creating data lakes (Snowflake, Redshift) for cleansing and harmonization. Data Quality Levers: Front-End Governance → Enrichment Tools → Data Warehouse → Analytics → Business Impact Managing Change: From Chaos to Control Introducing governance to a free-for-all environment isn’t easy. Bill’s advice: Start with quick wins (fix broken data flows, automate manual processes). Build trust through partnership (don’t be draconian). Celebrate outcomes (show how governance accelerates, not blocks). “At Marketo, we allowed certain groups autonomy as long as they communicated and aligned. Governance isn’t about control — it’s about achieving the same objectives together.” AI, Legal, and the Future of Governance AI adds a new dimension: vendors want access to customer data to train models. Legal wants to block everything. IT sits in the middle. Bill’s advice: Get legal, vendors, and engineers on the same call to negotiate. Clarify data usage rights, anonymization, and safeguards. Accept that not every situation is black and white. AI Vendor Risk Checklist: Will my data train your models? Is data anonymized? What security guarantees exist? Can we opt out? Best-of-Breed vs. Platforms: The Consolidation Tradeoff With budgets tightening, platform consolidation is tempting. But Bill is cautious: “Most companies are still best at the thing they started with. Platforms may catch up, but best-of-breed usually wins — unless platform efficiency outweighs the feature gap.” Template: Platform vs Best-of-Breed Scorecard Criteria Platform Best-of-Breed Cost Savings ✅ ❌ Feature Depth ❌ ✅ Integration Ease ✅ ✅ Scalability ✅ ✅ Innovation Pace ❌ ✅ Vendor Maturity: Balancing Risk and Innovation Should companies bet on a young, innovative vendor?

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Transforming Customer Success into a Revenue Engine with Consumption-Based Selling

Transforming Customer Success into a Revenue Engine with Consumption-Based Selling A conversation with Santosh Sahoo, Global Leader – Consumption Selling at Mulesoft. The enterprise software world is undergoing a seismic shift. Traditional seat-based licensing models are giving way to consumption-based pricing, where customers pay only for what they use. Popularized by infrastructure leaders like AWS and Snowflake, and now supercharged by AI-driven applications, this approach is reshaping how companies think about value, revenue, and customer success. For Customer Success leaders, this isn’t just an operational change. It’s an opportunity. Customer Success is no longer a “cost center” focused on retention—it’s becoming a monetizable growth lever. Through consumption-based selling, every interaction, use case, and success plan can translate into revenue while ensuring customers get immediate, measurable value. In this blog, based on an insightful conversation with Santosh Sahoo of MuleSoft, we’ll unpack: Why the industry is moving to consumption-based selling The challenges and opportunities this model creates How Customer Success leaders can monetize their efforts Best practices and frameworks to operationalize the shift Facebook Twitter Youtube Why Consumption-Based Selling Is the Future SaaS began with subscription models (think Salesforce’s seat-based pricing). Then came infrastructure providers like AWS, which introduced pay-as-you-go for compute and storage. The **third wave—AI-powered applications—**is now pushing consumption to the forefront. “Every new AI product is inherently consumption-oriented. Customers want to pay per transaction, per query, per outcome—not per seat. It’s a true utility-based model.” – Santosh Sahoo Unlike seat licenses where customers pay upfront for promised value, consumption aligns cost with actual usage. This eliminates shelfware, increases transparency, and ensures value delivery happens side-by-side with spending. Evolution of Pricing Models Stage 1: Seat-Based SaaS Stage 2: Infrastructure-as-a-Service (IaaS) Stage 3: AI & Transaction-Based Pricing Internal Shifts: Rethinking Sales, CS, and GTM Alignment Moving to consumption-based selling isn’t as simple as changing pricing. It requires a redesign of the entire go-to-market model: Product Design – Ensure your product can be consumed in granular units (transactions, queries, credits). Pricing Strategy – Move from promises to usage-based models. Sales Incentives – Comp plans must reward continuous expansion, not just large upfront deals. Customer Success Enablement – CSMs must move from “relationship managers” to domain experts driving backlog consumption. Transparency Tools – Customers must see real-time dashboards showing usage, costs, and ROI. “Think of it like moving from waterfall to agile. Instead of one big upfront purchase, it’s frequent small purchases tied to value delivery.” – Santosh Sahoo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmT2lGHx6Yw&t=2s Customer Success in a Consumption World Customer Success is the linchpin in this new model. Instead of quarterly check-ins or post-implementation support, CSMs must now: Continuously drive backlog consumption (help customers take use cases live faster). Co-own expansion with sales by identifying new use cases. Quantify value delivered per transaction, making ROI visible in real time. Evolve into domain experts (deep industry/functional knowledge builds trust and unlocks access to customer roadmaps). Consumption Success Planning Sheet Category Traditional SaaS CS Consumption CS Cadence QBRs + Support Continuous, backlog-driven Value Tracking Promised ROI Real-time usage-value correlation CSM Persona Relationship Manager Domain Expert & Advisor Expansion Motion Post-implementation upsell Ongoing micro-expansions Overcoming Customer Concerns: Transparency and Risk The biggest hesitation from customers? Cost unpredictability. They want answers to: Will we end up spending more than before? Can we budget effectively? Do we know what value we’re getting per dollar? The solution lies in radical transparency: Self-serve dashboards showing daily/weekly/monthly usage Clear unit economics (e.g., $5 per transaction vs $5,000 per seat) Value assessments tied to each use case The Consumption Value Equation Define use case → 2. Track usage units → 3. Calculate cost → 4. Show realized business outcome Tiered Success Packages: Monetizing Customer Success Consumption models naturally pair with tiered Customer Success offerings. Instead of selling “support hours” or “better SLAs” alone, companies should bundle experiences across all touchpoints: Tier 1 (Standard) – Basic onboarding, standard SLAs, limited training. Tier 2 (Advanced) – Faster SLAs, personalized onboarding, domain-aligned CSM support. Tier 3 (Premium/Strategic) – White-glove onboarding, architecture advisory, dedicated CSM, priority support, advanced training. 📌 Template Idea: Success Package Blueprint Touchpoint Standard Advanced Premium Onboarding Standard Customized White-glove Training Self-serve Live workshops Domain consulting Support 24-48 hrs 12 hrs <4 hrs priority Architecture Advisory None Quarterly check-ins Dedicated architect Measuring Success: From Lagging to Leading Indicators Traditional CS metrics (renewals, churn) are lagging. Consumption introduces leading indicators that predict expansion and retention. Leading Indicators: Quarter-over-quarter consumption growth % of contract burned down mid-cycle (target 80% by halfway mark) Pipeline of use cases going live Lagging Indicators: Renewal rates Net revenue retention (NRR) Expansion ACV Executive Alignment: Who Needs to Buy In? Transitioning to consumption selling requires C-level alignment: CEO – Sets vision, aligns with customer-centric strategy CFO – Manages forecasting challenges, ensures revenue predictability CPO – Designs product units & telemetry dashboards CRO – Aligns sales incentives and GTM motions CCO/CS Leaders – Drive adoption, retention, expansion Best Practices & Lessons Learned From Santosh’s early journey at MuleSoft, here are actionable best practices: Design net-new roles – Don’t just repurpose CSMs. Build domain-centric, consultative CS roles. Prioritize data rigor – Treat use cases like a pipeline, tracked with sales-like discipline. Enable real-time transparency – Build dashboards customers can self-serve. Monetize success packages – Create tiered offerings tied to tangible business outcomes. Adopt agile mindset – Land small, expand fast. Value and revenue must scale in lockstep. The Road Ahead: What’s Next for Consumption Selling? In the next 12–18 months, expect: More SaaS companies moving to hybrid models (mix of seats + consumption). AI-driven agents priced per transaction, not per user. Greater demand for CS-led monetization, where every touchpoint is productized. CFOs rethinking forecasting models, balancing lumpy usage with committed minimums. “The future is clear—consumption will be everywhere. The challenge is building the muscle for forecasting, value transparency, and continuous expansion. But for companies that get it right, customer success becomes the ultimate growth engine.” – Santosh Sahoo Want to hear more stories from revenue leaders? Subscribe to The Revenue Lounge podcast to

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Forecasting Strategies at Different Company Sizes

Forecasting Strategies at Different Company Sizes A conversation with Keith Rabkin, Chief Revenue Officer at PandaDoc. Revenue leaders are constantly under pressure to deliver predictability despite economic headwinds, fluctuating buyer behavior, and increasingly complex deal cycles. In this episode of The Revenue Lounge, we sit down with Keith Rabkin, the Chief Revenue Officer at PandaDoc, to understand how he builds a forecasting engine rooted in operational excellence, strategic RevOps partnership, and deep customer-centricity. Keith’s journey spans two decades, including tenures at tech giants like Google and Adobe, where he mastered the intersection of data, GTM strategy, and customer satisfaction. At PandaDoc, he’s applying that same blend of analytical rigor and human insight to build predictable, scalable revenue engines. Facebook Twitter Youtube From Strategy & Ops to CRO: Keith’s Unique Journey “I think I’m a little bit of a non-traditional CRO.” Keith didn’t take the usual route into the CRO chair. Instead, he rose through strategy and operations roles at Google, where he honed his ability to use data as a decision-making compass. At Adobe, he led GTM strategy and operations for their $9B digital media business, where he first saw how customer-centric data patterns could be used to optimize every element of a go-to-market motion — from self-service sales to channel revenue. What hooked him? The satisfaction of being “obsessed with a number,” he says. Forecasting, for Keith, is a game of patterns and puzzle-solving — and the payoff is not just in numbers, but in the satisfaction of delivering a great customer experience. Public vs. Private Forecasting: Two Worlds, One Philosophy Forecasting at Adobe looked very different than forecasting at PandaDoc. Yet the underlying discipline — inspecting deals, applying data, and aligning cross-functional teams — remains the same. Forecasting Element Public Companies Private Companies Pressure Intense, stock-driven High, but more flexible Methodology Automated, bottoms-up, segmented Manual inspection, rep-specific Timeline Sensitivity Quarterly commitments drive urgency More customer-aligned pacing Discounting End-of-quarter incentives common Long-game view prioritized “At PandaDoc, I’d rather let a deal slip than pressure a customer to close just to hit a quarter.” This mindset allows PandaDoc to prioritize relationships over revenue timing — which, ironically, improves long-term deal value and trust. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cqYn4a_nsU&t=1s The Forecasting Playbook: A Blend of Art and Science Keith emphasizes that while forecasting may appear like a data-driven function, it’s equally about human judgment. Here’s what his playbook looks like: Forecasting Component Description Deal-by-deal inspection Analyze every key opportunity through rep/manager reviews. Historical trends Weigh pipeline based on historical stage conversions, seasonal patterns, and rep accuracy. Manager alignment Collaborate with frontline managers and VPs to roll up forecasts with realism. Gut check Understand rep behavior: who’s conservative, who sandbags, who needs pushback. “You get to know who’s sandbagging and who’s just optimistic. That’s the art.” He holds weekly meetings with his GTM leaders to walk through the forecast. But it’s not a top-down call — it’s a collaborative build-up, followed by his own adjustment based on trend recognition and leader context. The Domino Effect of Dirty Data Bad Close Rate Data → Inaccurate Pipeline Weighting → Forecast MissesUnreliable Pipe Gen Tracking → Overconfidence → Poor CoverageLack of Stakeholder Mapping → Underestimated Risk → Deal Slippage “Bad data is a huge obstacle to an accurate forecast.” Keith’s solution? A world-class RevOps team and weekly “D-DOM” meetings (Data Driven Operating Model), where every GTM leader sees and aligns on the same datasets. This operational cadence makes data central to every action — not just a reporting afterthought. RevTech Isn’t the Answer. But It Helps. While Keith is bullish on RevTech, he’s also cautious. He notes that no tool can replace fundamentals like deal inspection, rep performance analysis, and buyer engagement tracking. That said, RevTech tools have made his life easier in the following ways: RevTech Function Forecasting Value Call & Email Data Reveals real engagement and momentum. PandaDoc Engagement Tracks opens, page views, and forwards. CI Tools Helps uncover true multi-threading. Forecast Software (Under evaluation) Competing tools for visibility and roll-up support. “Forecasting tools are helpful, but the magic is in the intersections — rep + stage + seasonality.” He predicts that AI will soon help revenue teams process these complex intersections more effectively. Deal Inspection Checklist for Complex Sales Champion Validated? Is it a true champion or just a coach? Economic Buyer Identified? Can they sign off? Discovery Depth: Have we uncovered real pain and urgency? Multi-threaded? Are 2–3 stakeholders from different teams engaged? Next Steps Documented? Is there clear mutual action? PandaDoc Activity? Has the proposal been opened and reviewed? “We’ve locked down our stages with no judgment calls — just concrete criteria.” If a deal regresses — for example, the buyer leaves or restarts the evaluation — Keith prefers to roll it back rather than falsely keep it in an advanced stage. Revenue Doesn’t Stop at Closed-Won: Expansion and Renewals PandaDoc’s post-sale strategy mirrors its new business motion — highly structured, data-backed, and RevOps-enabled. Function Role Customer Experience (CX) Drives adoption, feedback, early risk signals. Account Management (AM) Owns renewals, expansion, and commercial negotiations. “We separate value delivery from commercial transactions. That builds trust.” Forecasting on the renewal side follows the same rigor — stage tracking, risk reviews, and AM-manager forecasts. High-risk or high-value accounts get escalated for deeper review. Winback Motion: Closed-Lost ≠ Lost Forever Keith and team recently launched a Closed-Lost Nurture Program: Targeted drip campaigns Scheduled rep check-ins Competitor contract timeline tracking Stakeholder remarketing (when contacts weren’t captured in CRM) “Buyers come in 6–9 months before a competitor renewal. If we stay top-of-mind, we win the re-evaluation.” This motion ensures that timing—not interest—is the only reason a deal is lost. Killing the MQL Debate: Pipeline is the Real Metric Keith doesn’t ignore MQLs, but he’s shifted PandaDoc’s GTM model toward pipeline accountability. GTM Metric Marketing Role Sales Role Shared Outcome MQLs Generate quality leads Qualify accurately Feedback loop only Pipeline Source and nurture Accept and close Joint ownership “Both teams are goaled on pipeline — and both refuse to blame

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RevOps Reporting: From Strategy to Execution

RevOps Reporting: From Strategy to Execution A conversation with Tyler Will, VP of Revenue Operations at Intercom. Ever built a dashboard that no one ever looked at? You poured hours into it—cleaned the data, crafted the visuals, launched it with flair—and… crickets. We’ve all been there. But for Tyler Will, VP of Revenue Operations at Intercom, that moment of silence is a signal. It’s the difference between reporting for reporting’s sake and reporting that actually drives business action. In this episode of The Revenue Lounge, Tyler pulls back the curtain on how to transform data into compelling narratives that power decisions. From organizing your RevOps team to infusing business acumen into analytics, here’s your crash course in reporting that actually lands. Facebook Twitter Youtube Structuring RevOps for Impact, Not Chaos Tyler doesn’t treat RevOps as a reactive clean-up crew. At Intercom, he’s built a 30-person function intentionally divided into five tightly aligned pods: Core Ops, Planning & Comp, Go-to-Market Analytics, Strategy & Initiatives, and Systems. Each team plays a distinct role, but they’re united by a shared mission—to not just collect data, but to convert it into forward-looking decisions. This structure is what allows Tyler’s team to build reporting muscle across the GTM funnel. Sales planning? There’s a team for that. Forecasting? Covered. Marketing funnel analytics? Embedded. It’s a system designed for flow, not friction. Reporting Starts Long Before the Dashboard One of Tyler’s biggest lessons? Reporting should never be treated as an afterthought. Too often, teams invest months in strategic projects—new comp plans, revamped lead routing, or territory carving—without ever defining how success will be measured. Instead, Tyler’s team builds reporting into the project DNA from day one. That means defining business goals up front, assigning someone to own program execution (even unofficially), and scheduling reviews that extend beyond launch. Reporting, in this model, isn’t just a rearview mirror. It’s the GPS. “Too many projects end at go-live. We build to execute beyond the launch.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiTGr7rkFUk Dashboards Don’t Deliver Value—People Do Tyler acknowledges a universal RevOps pain: building dashboards that no one uses. The problem isn’t the tool—it’s the handoff. Sales leaders and frontline managers aren’t always trained to extract insight from data. So just delivering a dashboard isn’t enough. That’s why his team doesn’t just build tools. They teach people how to use them. They host sessions, create walkthroughs, and embed reports into the team’s operating cadence. And most importantly, they create accountability. If there’s a pipeline review next Tuesday, you’re expected to know your numbers. “If sales leaders aren’t using the data, that’s on us. We need to teach them how.” Turning Numbers into Narrative Data by itself doesn’t change behavior. What Tyler emphasizes is the need to translate data into a compelling story—one that informs, provokes, and leads to decisions. He uses a simple framework to coach his team: What? (The observation) So What? (Why it matters) What Now? (What we do about it) This isn’t about throwing more charts into a deck. It’s about surfacing meaning. If pipeline is down 30%, what does that mean for Q4 targets? What can the team do to close the gap? “Turning a table into bullet points doesn’t make it an insight.” Business Acumen: The Missing Link in Analytics Analytics teams often sit in their own world, crunching numbers without context. Tyler sees this as a major failure mode. His goal? Erase the line between analysts and operators. At Intercom, they’re embedding analysts directly into core GTM teams—whether that’s top-of-funnel, mid-pipeline, or renewals. He also encourages hiring people with hybrid skills—consultants who can pull data but also drive decisions. The ultimate goal is to stop treating analytics like an academic shop and start treating it like a business partner. “You can’t be stuck in an ivory tower. Analysts need a pulse on the business.” How Cadence Builds Proactivity Tyler’s approach to reporting isn’t ad hoc. It’s driven by a deliberate cadence that ensures his team is always a few steps ahead. Weeks before a quarter starts, his team is already deep diving into next quarter’s pipeline. Mid-quarter, they revisit forecasts and fine-tune outlooks. This cadence creates predictability. It gives leaders enough time to act—not react. Whether it’s campaign planning, resourcing, or sales execution, this forward-looking posture helps Intercom stay agile. “We’re not just reporters. We’re pattern recognizers surfacing risks before they explode.” Working Without Perfect Data Sometimes, you just don’t have the data you want. But that shouldn’t stall decision-making. Tyler leans on scenario modeling and sensitivity analysis to fill in the gaps. For example, what ROI would we get if we reduce churn by 2%? 4%? 6%? These projections give leaders a sense of risk and upside—even when certainty isn’t available. This is also where co-creation matters. Instead of building a theoretical case in isolation, Tyler’s team sits down with stakeholders and builds the assumptions together. That shared ownership leads to greater buy-in. “Even without clean data, we ask: What would we have to believe for this bet to pay off?” How Do You Know It’s Working? There’s no neat dashboard that measures the ROI of reporting. But Tyler looks for three signals: Are people using the dashboards? Are teams acting on the insights? Are results improving over time? It’s not just about engagement—it’s about impact. Did your QBR attendance go up? Did outbound volume increase after an insight was shared? Even if the RevOps team doesn’t get the credit, these shifts validate the value of your work. “If QBRs doubled after your analysis, the insight landed—even if someone else took the credit.” Where AI Fits In AI isn’t here to replace RevOps teams—it’s here to liberate them from the grunt work. Tyler believes AI can play a massive role in surfacing trends, anomalies, and summaries that would otherwise take days to prepare. That frees up analysts to do what they do best: interpret and act. The opportunity isn’t to automate insight, but to accelerate the journey to it. “AI should be the engine. Humans steer the

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Strategic RevOps: Harnessing Data for Maximum Impact

Strategic RevOps: Harnessing Data for Maximum Impact A conversation with Kelley Jarrett, SVP, Revenue Strategy, Operations & Enablement at ThoughtSpot. If you’ve worked in Revenue Operations over the past few years, you’ve likely felt the shift. The role that once focused on reports, dashboards, and process audits is rapidly evolving into something far more strategic. At the forefront of this evolution is Kelley Jarrett, SVP of Revenue Strategy, Operations & Enablement at ThoughtSpot—a company that lives and breathes data. Kelley isn’t just reacting to the changes in RevOps. She’s shaping them. In this episode of The Revenue Lounge, she offers a refreshingly practical perspective on what it means to drive revenue excellence in today’s go-to-market (GTM) world. Her story isn’t about abstract strategy or shiny dashboards—it’s about building a RevOps function that actually enables growth. One that doesn’t just collect data, but activates it. Let’s unpack how she’s doing that, and what it means for the future of RevOps. Facebook Twitter Youtube The Generalist’s Edge: A Career Built on Connecting the Dots Kelley never set out to be a RevOps leader. Like many of her peers, she entered through sales. Then post-sales. Then marketing. Her journey reads like a tour of the GTM ecosystem—intentionally so. Early on, a mentor advised her to choose between a specialist or generalist track. Kelley picked the latter. And that decision now powers the way she leads. “It’s a no-brainer for me. I’ve always been more interested in how all the pieces fit together.”— Kelley Jarrett, SVP of Revenue Excellence, ThoughtSpot This generalist mindset has made her exceptionally effective in aligning teams around revenue strategy. She doesn’t just understand how sales works—she knows how sales fits into a broader system that includes marketing, customer success, finance, and product. At ThoughtSpot, that mindset is critical. Because RevOps isn’t a back-office function anymore. It’s in the boardroom. Strategic RevOps Isn’t a Trend. It’s the New Default Kelley’s role today isn’t confined to building capacity models or distributing dashboards. She’s embedded in C-level conversations, helping shape the very goals that will drive boardroom outcomes. “We’re not just translating top-line goals into quotas anymore. We’re helping shape those goals—before they’re finalized.”— Kelley Jarrett That evolution isn’t just happening at ThoughtSpot. It’s an industry-wide shift. Titles now include “Strategy & Revenue Operations.” The bar for RevOps leadership is higher. And the best operators are becoming co-pilots to the CRO—not just order-takers. It’s also why Kelley believes RevOps should report into GTM, not finance. While financial alignment is crucial, having RevOps embedded in sales and marketing ensures that the function can reflect both the numbers and the nuance—the things that data alone can’t explain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfumXL1kkM8 Why Dashboards Aren’t Enough Anymore Despite the explosion of data tools in B2B, most companies still suffer from one pervasive problem: data lag. Kelley calls it “the data backlog.” And she’s lived it. In prior roles, RevOps teams built dashboard after dashboard, only to be asked for new filters, updated logic, or “one more cut” the moment a business user opened the file. “It slowed everyone down. RevOps became a ticketing system instead of a strategic partner.”— Kelley Jarrett To fix this, ThoughtSpot embraced what they’re best known for: self-serve analytics. Instead of centralizing all insights within RevOps, Kelley’s team created liveboards—interactive dashboards that empower GTM leaders to drill into pipeline, campaign performance, and conversion trends in real time. Not only did this remove bottlenecks—it restored RevOps to its rightful place as a strategic advisor, not just a data concierge. The Anatomy of a Strategic RevOps Function A modern RevOps team must evolve beyond reporting. Here’s what Kelley’s team looks like at ThoughtSpot: 🔎 Data Accessibility → Self-serve liveboards instead of static dashboards 📈 GTM Partnership → Active role in shaping quota, territory, and fiscal planning 🧪 Experimentation Culture → Campaign pilots to test what actually works 🔗 Functional Alignment → Embedded in sales, marketing, SDR, and partner teams 🧼 Data Strategy Ownership → A full-time team responsible for governance and hygiene From Static Planning to Dynamic Pipeline Execution The best part of Kelley’s approach? It’s not theoretical. She put it into action. When pipeline generation started to plateau across certain channels, Kelley didn’t call another meeting. She launched a cross-functional initiative called the Integrated Pipeline Plan (IPP)—a pilot designed to test whether tighter alignment between sales, marketing, SDR, and partner teams could move the needle. The team used ThoughtSpot’s liveboards to pinpoint gaps. Then they launched the pilot using a high-visibility moment: ThoughtSpot’s inclusion in the Gartner Magic Quadrant. The results? “Gartner told us it was the best-performing demand campaign for the Magic Quadrant they’d seen to date.”— Kelley Jarrett Even more impressively, sales became the fourth-highest source of qualified leads for the campaign—a clear sign that the integrated approach worked. Kelley’s 5-Step Integrated Pipeline Plan (IPP) Diagnose GapsUse liveboards to identify weak pipeline sources. Secure AlignmentGet sales, marketing, SDR, and partner heads to agree on the problem. Assign AccountabilityAppoint a cross-functional program owner (not RevOps) to run the play. Enable ExecutionArm teams with inspection reports, playbooks, and campaign materials. Measure, Learn, ScaleCompare baseline vs. campaign metrics. Repeat with pillar moments. Clean Data ≠ Perfect Data One of the most candid takeaways from Kelley? Every company—even data companies—struggles with data cleanliness. But rather than chase perfection, Kelley advocates for clarity and accountability. She believes every organization should have: A clearly documented data strategy A team (or individual) accountable for data health A feedback loop from real business execution back to the data team When data issues arise—say, sending invites to the wrong city due to HQ-based geo tagging—those learnings should be captured and fixed at the system level. “It’s not just about clean data. It’s about having a system to improve it over time.”— Kelley Jarrett The Buying Group Shift: Using History to Predict the Future Kelley has been a believer in buying group strategies long before it became a Forrester-fueled buzzword. But her approach is refreshingly grounded. She doesn’t rely solely on intent

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The Evolving Role of SDRs: Navigating Outbound Fatigue & Embracing Buying Groups

The Evolving Role of SDRs: Navigating Outbound Fatigue & Embracing Buying Groups A conversation with Kelly Lichtenberger, VP Sales Development at HiBob. Sales development is at a crossroads. What once worked—mass sequences, endless dials, and a “spray-and-pray” approach, is now leading to diminishing returns. Buyers are fatigued, inboxes are overflowing, and SDRs are burning out. Yet, building top-of-funnel pipeline is still one of the most critical levers for revenue growth. So, how does the modern SDR team succeed in an environment defined by noise, automation, and shrinking buyer attention spans? In this episode of The Revenue Lounge, Kelly Lichtenberger, VP of Sales Development at HiBob and author of Prospect Like a Girl: Winning in Sales Using Your Emotional Intelligence Over Artificial Intelligence, shared her perspective on building authentic connections, leveraging emotional intelligence, and balancing technology with personalization. Here’s the detailed breakdown of her insights. Facebook Twitter Youtube From Phonebooks to AI: Kelly’s Journey Through Sales Development Kelly’s career started long before SDR platforms and LinkedIn existed. She recalls flipping through phone books, driving past office buildings, and tracking down numbers to call. “When I started my career, there was no Google, no AI. We literally had a phone book. If I drove down a highway and saw a new sign on a building, I’d try to figure out how to call them.” – Kelly Lichtenberger Her path took her from running her own outsourcing company to consulting, and ultimately to leading HiBob’s 60+ global SDR team. That breadth of experience shapes her philosophy today: technology should enhance—not replace—the human connection in sales. The Great Ignore: Why Outbound Fatigue Is Real Kelly calls today’s prospecting environment “heavy.” Before COVID, it took ~11 touches to reach a prospect. During COVID, that ballooned to ~18. Today, SDRs need 25–27 touches across 45 days to break through. And prospects are more sophisticated than ever: They recognize templated, generic messages instantly. They consume information across fragmented channels (email, phone, LinkedIn, mobile). They’re trained to hit “delete” on irrelevant outreach. “If you keep doing the same thing over and over with zero results, it’s the definition of insanity. You have to change it up. Personalization and creativity are the differentiators now.” – Kelly Lichtenberger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8MVl8JiFiE Quality Over Quantity: Rethinking SDR KPIs For years, SDR success was measured in sheer volume—calls made, emails sent, meetings set. But Kelly warns that volume alone creates diminishing returns. At HiBob, her team focuses on: Meetings completed (not just scheduled) Pipeline acceptance rate (ensuring quality over filler opportunities) Multi-threading impact (how many stakeholders they can influence in a buying group) Personalization at Scale: The New SDR Playbook Kelly believes personalization isn’t optional anymore—it’s the SDR’s competitive edge. And it goes beyond “Hi {FirstName}” tokens. Some tactics HiBob SDRs use: LinkedIn signals: tracking job changes, posts, and shared connections. Video outreach: short, phone-friendly videos to stand out in a crowded inbox. Creativity tests: A/B testing creative messages, then templatizing winners into sequences. “Please keep saying the phone call is dead—because that’s where I win. But it’s not about feature dumps on voicemails. It’s about elevating your game and being interested, not interesting.” – Kelly Lichtenberger Emotional Intelligence > Artificial Intelligence Kelly’s book, Prospect Like a Girl, argues that emotional intelligence (EI) is more important than artificial intelligence (AI) in modern sales. While AI helps SDRs save time (e.g., autodialers, transcription, sequencing), the differentiator is still human connection. EI Builds Trust: Asking, “Maybe you can help me?” opens doors faster than product pitches. EI Reads the Room: SDRs must listen, not bulldoze. Prospects already know a lot before taking the call. EI Creates Curiosity: The goal isn’t to close in the first message—it’s to spark interest and earn the next touch. “No is as powerful as yes. Maybe is what kills the deal.” – Kelly Lichtenberger The Buying Group Motion: Moving Beyond MQLs Kelly echoes what many modern revenue leaders believe: the era of the individual MQL is over. HiBob’s team is experimenting with buying group strategies: Creating early-stage opportunity “containers” for accounts showing swarming signals. Engaging multiple champions instead of betting on one lead. Aligning with marketing to ensure SDRs aren’t just chasing scores but confirming initiatives with multiple stakeholders. What Traits Make a Successful SDR in 2025? Interestingly, HiBob often hires SDRs without sales experience. Kelly looks for traits over résumés: Coachability – willingness to be trained. Curiosity – ability to teach even their leaders new tools or perspectives. Resilience – grit to handle rejection and keep evolving. “Sales isn’t Friday golf and making money. It’s really hard work. But if someone shows me their why and willingness to be coached, I’ll give them a chance.” – Kelly Lichtenberger Will AI Replace SDRs? Kelly Says No The elephant in the room: will AI make SDRs obsolete? Kelly’s answer: absolutely not. AI is a productivity booster, not a replacement. Just like Netflix didn’t stop us from watching movies—it changed how we consume them—AI will change how SDRs prospect, not eliminate them. “If you as a human don’t learn how to work in both worlds—AI and human—you’re the one who will get replaced.” – Kelly Lichtenberger Key Takeaways for Modern SDR Leaders Outreach requires 25+ touches—design for persistence. Shift KPIs from activity metrics to pipeline quality. Personalization is a non-negotiable—test, learn, templatize. Emotional intelligence builds trust where AI cannot. Adopt buying group motions—multi-thread every deal. Hire for traits, not résumés. Coachability wins. AI will augment SDRs, not replace them—unless they refuse to adapt. Final Word Sales development isn’t dying—it’s evolving. The SDRs who embrace creativity, curiosity, and emotional intelligence will thrive, while those who cling to outdated, volume-heavy tactics will struggle. HiBob’s Kelly Lichtenberger reminds us that the human touch is still the ultimate differentiator in sales. “Be interested, not interesting.” – Kelly Lichtenberger Want to hear more stories from revenue leaders? Subscribe to The Revenue Lounge podcast to never miss an episode! More Resources

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The Flywheel Approach to Driving Full-Funnel Revenue Impact

The Flywheel Approach to Driving Full-Funnel Revenue Impact A conversation with Anil Somaney, Worldwide Head of RevOps at Island. As go-to-market strategies become more complex, high-performing SaaS organizations are seeking ways to drive efficiency, alignment, and growth at scale. Enter the Flywheel Framework, a powerful operational philosophy championed by Anil Somaney, SVP of Revenue Operations at Island. In this episode of The Revenue Lounge, Anil shares a detailed blueprint of how he builds momentum in GTM systems using the flywheel model. From team structure and metric alignment to the role of AI and data hygiene, this blog explores every insight in depth. Facebook Twitter Youtube The Strategic Evolution of RevOps RevOps has evolved from being a siloed, tactical support function to a strategic leadership role. Anil believes that today’s RevOps leaders must be both: Tactical: Running forecast calls, managing CRM processes, and executing operational rigor. Strategic: Driving long-term GTM planning, scaling transformation programs, and aligning cross-functional teams. “The ability to oscillate between strategy and execution—without treating one as superior—is what defines impactful RevOps.” What’s Driving This Shift? Macroeconomic pressure on efficiency A premium on productivity and resource allocation The disruptive force of AI across GTM motions Where Should RevOps Sit in the Org? Anil has seen RevOps report into CEOs, CFOs, COOs, and CROs. His view? “It matters less where RevOps sits. What matters is whether the team can operate across the full GTM system and serve as an independent source of truth.” Misalignment often occurs when reporting lines influence data transparency. To avoid this, RevOps needs the autonomy to surface the truth—even when it’s uncomfortable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1a4_qfwcvc&t=6s Structuring the RevOps Organization Anil’s ideal RevOps structure is built on balance: functional expertise with centralized intelligence. Org Model: A. Field Operations (Function-Aligned) Marketing Ops Sales Ops CS Ops Partner Ops BDR/SDR Ops B. Center of Excellence (Centralized Ops) Sales Compensation Territory & Segmentation Insights & Analytics RevTech/Tooling C. Enablement & Transformation Field Enablement Business Transformation & GTM Strategy The Flywheel Framework: Explained The Flywheel is Anil’s mental model for scaling initiatives with compounding impact. It connects: Systems Tools Processes People Data Enablement “Think of it as levers and pulleys. If you align every component correctly, you get outsized output from reduced input.” What Problems Does the Flywheel Solve? Functional silos (marketing optimizing MQLs without NRR impact) Inconsistent KPIs across teams Misalignment of goals and incentives How the Flywheel Works: Start with a single initiative (e.g. new ICP campaign) Map downstream impact across functions Measure results consistently Systematize the process Let the momentum compound Metrics That Matter Rather than drowning in dashboards, Anil advises picking a “dirty dozen” metrics that the exec team reviews weekly. 3-Part Weekly Pipeline Meeting: What happened? (Metric review) Why did it happen? (Root cause analysis) What are we doing about it? (Accountability and action) “Too many metrics distract. Get aligned on a few that matter and meet weekly to interrogate them.” Operationalizing the Flywheel   When launching any new GTM initiative, Anil uses a repeatable checklist: Flywheel Launch Framework: Systems: Is the tech stack ready? Processes: Are SLAs and handoffs defined? People: Do we have the right roles in place? Enablement: Are frontline teams trained? Measurement: What success metrics are we tracking? Infographic Idea: Flywheel Initiative Checklist with the 5 components in a flow. “Every initiative must start with this checklist. It’s how we scale predictably.” The Data Challenge: Clean Enough to Decide Perfect data doesn’t exist. So what does Anil do? Uses 3-source validation for external data Customizes vendors by region (e.g. GDPR nuances) Simplifies internal workflows to reduce user fatigue Builds system-enforced hygiene (e.g. can’t move stage without deal value) “Explain the ‘why’ behind each CRM field. If AEs understand it, they’ll update it.” The Role of AI: Assist, Not Replace Anil shares a jaw-dropping AI demo: a bot that delivers MedPic pitches, builds decks, sends emails, and adapts to multi-threaded buying groups. “AI is evolving fast. But it won’t replace strategic selling. It’s about augmenting reps, not eliminating them.” Where AI Works: Auto-updating CRM fields Initial outbound emails Data enrichment Where AI Falls Short: Building trust with a buying committee Navigating internal conflicts Buying Groups and the End of the MQL “The buying committee is more hidden and complex than ever. The MQL is no longer enough.” Anil’s Take: Buying groups require early-stage opportunity containers SDRs should qualify committees, not just individuals Partnership between BDRs and AEs is critical On Attribution: Imperfect but Important “You’ll never capture the trade show hallway conversation. But you still need to measure.” Anil’s Attribution Principles: Use multi-touch models, even if flawed Apply the model consistently over time Watch for shifts in weighting after new investments Advice for Aspiring RevOps Leaders “Great RevOps isn’t about being a control tower. It’s about getting results through others.” His Guidance: Study strategy (e.g. Art of War for business) Master cross-functional influence Learn to articulate a shared vision Spend more time on upfront alignment   Conclusion Anil Somaney’s Flywheel Framework is more than an operational methodology—it’s a leadership mindset. By aligning systems, people, processes, and metrics into a compounding engine of value, RevOps can become the orchestrator of revenue acceleration. “I love this job. I love the people. And I love seeing my work directly impact the bottom line.” Want to hear more stories from revenue leaders? Subscribe to The Revenue Lounge podcast to never miss an episode! More Resources

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Beyond the MQL: A Blueprint for Buying Group Marketing, ABM Evolution, & AI-Powered Growth

Beyond the MQL: A Blueprint for Buying Group Marketing, ABM Evolution, & AI-Powered Growth A conversation with Leslie Alore, SVP Marketing at Flexera. In B2B marketing, traditional lead-based funnels are no longer sufficient to capture the complexity of modern buying behaviors. Decisions are increasingly made by groups of stakeholders, each with unique priorities, influence, and timelines. This has rendered the singular MQL metric inadequate. Leslie Alore, Senior Vice President of Marketing at Flexera, has taken a bold stance on rethinking marketing performance metrics, aligning go-to-market teams, and leveraging AI to better engage buying groups. In a recent episode of The Revenue Lounge, Leslie outlined how she has redefined what marketing success looks like, how she operationalizes ABM for platform sales, and why AI is central to the next evolution of buyer engagement. Facebook Twitter Youtube Rethinking the Role of MQLs Leslie begins with a candid admission: marketers have done themselves a disservice by elevating MQLs to the primary measure of marketing’s contribution. At Flexera, she has radically narrowed the definition of an MQL to focus only on true ‘hand-raisers’—prospects who explicitly request a sales interaction, whether that’s a demo request, a meeting with a product expert, or a direct booking with a sales rep. “An MQL is somebody who requests something that results in a sales meeting. They ask for a demo, they ask to talk to an expert, they book a meeting. That’s it.” – Leslie Alore By tightening the definition, her team was able to dramatically improve response times, sharpen SDR focus, and boost conversion rates. This approach doesn’t discount other engaged contacts—such as those who download content or attend webinars—but these interactions are used to warm accounts for future outreach rather than being sent immediately to sales. The goal is to avoid SDR burnout and focus resources where buying intent is real. Moving from Vanity Metrics to Business Impact To ensure marketing’s performance aligns with business priorities, Leslie implemented a three-tiered scorecard: “Metrics matter, but they should reflect how marketing drives the business forward—not just how many activities we can check off.” – Leslie Alore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8AuFPnUmog ABM Beyond Marketing Leslie is quick to point out that ABM should not be viewed as a marketing initiative alone—it’s a holistic business strategy. In platform-selling scenarios, where multiple point solutions target different stakeholders, understanding and mapping buying groups is essential. Her process starts with: Defining the Ideal Customer Profile (ICP) for each solution. Identifying users, buyers, and influencers for each product. Analyzing overlaps across solutions to reveal the best platform-fit accounts. “Sometimes, the influencer might not be involved in saying yes, but they can absolutely say no.” – Leslie Alore Balancing Demand Capture and Generation Applying the 95-5 rule, Leslie notes that only a small fraction of target accounts are actively in-market at any given time. Flexera’s strategy is to: Capture Demand Aggressively for in-market accounts through coordinated “swarming” of stakeholders by marketing, SDRs, and sales. Generate Future Demand with out-of-market accounts through thought leadership, education, and brand reinforcement until they’re ready to buy. This ensures short-term pipeline health while building long-term growth momentum. Harnessing AI for Speed, Scale, and Insight Leslie identifies three vectors for AI in marketing: Improving Marketing Productivity – Using generative AI tools like Writer to reduce content production timelines from weeks to hours. Enabling Customer Outcomes – Embedding AI-driven capabilities in Flexera’s own products. Adapting to Buyer Behavior – Responding to how buyers themselves are using AI to research and evaluate solutions. Predictive analytics tools like 6sense help Flexera interpret first-, second-, and third-party buying signals, enabling the team to prioritize accounts with greater accuracy. “If you’re not great at capturing demand, you have no business trying to generate it.” – Leslie Alore Key Lessons from Leslie Alore’s Approach Redefine MQLs to prioritize genuine buying intent and improve SDR efficiency. Align metrics in tiers to connect marketing measurement directly to business impact. Treat ABM as an enterprise-wide strategy, not just a marketing program. Balance demand capture with long-term demand generation for sustained growth. Leverage AI both to optimize marketing execution and to respond to shifting buyer behaviors. Want to hear more stories from revenue leaders? Subscribe to The Revenue Lounge podcast to never miss an episode! More Resources

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